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So now its even harder to get a ticket for those who have paid for a £40 membership.
Did the club really think every single fan in the stadium would sit down and eat popcorn?
I'm pretty sure that after the first set of fans have their ST's cancelled, the rest will get the idea.
With a 50 000 waiting list, it isn't going to be hard for the club to resell them, is it?
It's easy to implement, you march the front row out and the 2nd and subsequent rows will sit. The club know who you are and can give s final warning.
A bit harsh I know but it could happen
It would be foolish to move to those areas and expect to sit , as it would to move to the west stand and expect to stand . Thus pattern is very common throughout football stadiums ... Standing isn't illegal atall, stadiums must just have a seat for every person. Standing is much better for creating an atmosphere, which many on here were quick to bemoan on here last few seasons.
Club should also have prepared for this by having a designated family section at the OS like other stadiums. Saying that plenty of kids around me stand on chairs and have a great time .
I think the 57000 limit by council is more linked to ensuring transport and stewarding runs smoothly at this capacity first - rather than the standing issue - otherwise surely there would be a direct quote from council rather than more scaremongering from Brady who wants to continue the gentrification of our club it seems.
Labelling standers a selfish minority is childish, I have a season ticket in BML Snd everyone stands but for cup games where I have been in west stand or upper tiers I would never stAnd as wouldn't want to obstruct view of those less able , so ofc not condoning selfish minority of those who stand in these areas !
Bit of an essay!! Coyi
My 'selfish' comment referred to the fact that they were asked not to persistently stand, and warned of the consequences, yet chose to ignore the warnings.
As a result, 3 000 less fans get tickets for Bournemouth.
I stick by the view that
I'll do what I want, and no one tells me otherwise
is a selfish attitude.
'It's not illegal' is an irrelevant argument. It is against the stadium regulations, and that is all that matters. If the stadium owners and the local council insist upon fans not persistently standing, then that is what will have to happen.
Perhaps those who will not tolerate being told not to persistently stand could negotiate with the club for a refund of their STs?
I don't think the standers are to blame for the 3,000 less seats I think that's a cop out and was probably always the councils plan to see how the transport links and stewards coped with additional numbers. If they were punishing us for standing they wouldn't have increased the allowance atall .
If people really think standing is selfish then any comments about quiet atmosphere will be mute cos that will be the result.
We have, in the past, had away allocation cut as a result of standing.
Don't really understand the logic of that.
Permission to make the capacity 60 000 was given before we ever had a game there.
The capacity should have been 60 000, it is now 57 000 - that's a reduction, not an increase.
Time will tell, but I think those used to standing have yet to grasp that it is not the club pushing this, but the stadium operators, and I can't think of any reason why they would relax their stance on this issue.
The club doesn't care and won't push for safe standing cos they will be cheaper and are already selling out the stadium
Ah, the creation of a false dichotomy.
No-one is saying you have to sit down all the time and eat popcorn. It isn't an either/or. Others will know more about this than I do - but hasn't the club explored this and found it a non-starter?
And even if they haven't, isn't it too late now to do anything about it? ;hmm
(And as an aside, why would it be thought a good idea for the club to push ahead with things that will cut our budget ... how is that going to help, exactly?)
As a non-season ticket holder my only chance of seeing West Ham is to wait each game to see what tickets are left. I have very little choice in terms of where I can get a seat as I always take my two children and need three together. Fortunately for them (and me) they are now old enough and just about tall enough to cope with standing for long periods if necessary. This is exactly what happened when we saw the game against Domzale, as the 5 or 6 rows in front of us were standing giving us no alternative other than to stand (or watch the back of someone).
The notion that I (and others) may have had an idea of where to buy tickets to sit (and not stand) based on the fact that at the Boleyn there were standing areas that were going to be similar at the new stadium seem wrong to me. It is a new stadium, we took our chances, we had to stand and we dealt with it. Unfortunately others found it harder; smaller children for example.
It is not right that people may be put off from going to a game because they fear they may spend money only to have an obscured view as people are standing. It's bad enough when you have a 6ft 6 someone in front of you anyway.
I hope this can be sorted. I expect that over time 'natural standing areas' may appear as people swap season tickets etc. although it does seem that at the present time standing is deemed unsafe and possibly illegal anyway, and anyone not following guidance may well be removed.
Here's hoping that a solution can be achieved where those non-season ticket holders get a chance to have a seat wher they know they can see the game they paid for and not have to stand or be surprised they have to stand once the whistle has blown to start the game.
Obv was exaggerating about everyone eating popcorn but are you really looking forward to a stadium where everyone is sat down apart from the away fans , cos they certainly won't be sat.
It will always be a non starter unless the clubs really push for it - as I've said they won't because they care about money unless... People protest .. By continuing to stand .
Do you go to many games mrs g
In upton park thee were always plenty of seats together in west stand even at general sale.
Furthermore, as long as the licence is capped at 57,000 (and not raised to 60,000 as planned) that is 3,000 ticket sales every single game that the club is missing out on. (And potentially 6,000 ticket sales per match, if the cap is lowered again to the old 54,000, not to mention any other financial penalties they may incur for breach of licence conditions - I don't know if there is anything in the contract about that).
As you say, time will tell.
But I think it is you who will turn out to be wrong. ;biggrin
I'm sure the folks who have paid out their hard earned money for tickets, travel etc, and end up not being able to see, will be massively consoled by being able to blame the club. ;wink
And about standers being selfish ... Before last season there were always tickets available on general sale and often had a few 100 below capacity... Now we can host more than 20,000 more fans even if capped at 57000...?
So who's being selfish people that think they have right to get a ticket on general sale now when they didn't come to upton park , or standers who have been going for years and create a better atmosphere for everyone ?
I was hoping with the extra capacity, I might get to see more games at the new stadium. I am not so sure now.
They sold too many season tickets, didn't have a family section, and made too many people not get an equivalent area by allowing too many plus 2's... And now they're facing lots of fans fighting amongst each other ... and before people say it's only a few standing fans moaning ... Look at other fans forums e.g kumb and you'll find there are a LOT more unhappy fans than what you think ... As I said , a quarter of upton park stood.
The reasons why people might or might not have been regular attenders in recent years are many and varied. And perhaps totally outside their control.
Some folks who might not have attended in recent years may actually have clocked up many more attendances than you. I think it is a bit off, what you said, tbh.