The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50
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in a number of ways:
schools are obliged to provide one lesson per week of PSHE (personal, social health education). This would definitely be the class where issues of marriage/sexuality would be discussed
it would almost certainly come up in RE
it could form part of an English course looking at non-fiction texts
it could come up as in issue within a form group, and be discussed in registration periods (if they are long enough)
it might even come up in biology if you were looking at genetics and determinism
Appreciate the reply ;ok
I don't know if you have children but, if you do and they come to you and tell you that they are gay, how will you react?
Grey.
I don't always agree with you but on your last post, I agree with you 100%.
I don't have children but my parents taught me and my siblings up to love us just for who we are. I would like to think I would bring up my child just the same way.
Sorry, that isn't what pards said.
And seperately, in my experience, 9 is certainly not 'very young' when it comes to children.
Surely it's ok to have my own view??
Do I think they should be taught this
NO
My kids are young they believe in Santa love Disney land and all the other kids stuff when they go to secondary school if they are to learn it then that's fine!!
Until then NO
And don't worry grey we are all fine ;ok
Santa Claus has a Mrs Clause.
How can it be wrong for kids to know its ok for a Disney Princesse to marry a Disney princess?
Taught what?
That people who are attracted to members of the same sex are equal both morally and under the law, and should be respected as such and not discriminated against, feared or mocked?
Why on earth wouldn't you teach them that, amongst other things?
What would you do if one of their friends had same sex parents?
Tell them it was a sin and they would go to hell?
Or tell them that love was what was most important?
And the BFG who mooses about with dreams.
Then there's that talking badger who has to bale his frog mate out of jail after he was caugh speeding.
But don't tell the children about love!!
Jeeze ;doh
The question is simply which views are to be held as morally unacceptable.
As an extreme example, very few people have any doubt that adult sex with children is wrong.
In my view, bigotry towards homosexuals or people of other races is morally unacceptable, and someone saying 'well that's what I think' doesn't justify it.
Reading the specific posts from Pards, I find it a real stretch to interpret them as bigotry against homosexuals and I trust that is not the intent or a reflection of the discourse.
Expressions of true bigotry are certainly unacceptable.
I wasn't necessarily implying that pards held bigoted views; I was simply pointing out that there were very many circumstances where 'That's my opinion/view' is not a justifiable excuse.
I suggest you check your PMs.
Don't think what is on the curriculum?
This all started with a post showing BozJo's support for section 28, and pards agreeing with his idea that the equality of gay marriage with heterosexual marriage should not be accepted or taught in schools. The simple fact is that in the UK, under the law, gay marriage has the same status as 'straight' marriage. What is the benefit of NOT telling children that?
Some children are gay; some children will have gay parents. Not telling your children that that is perfectly OK seems to me to be wrong.
I disagree that it is impossible to do the 'right' thing with parenting.
The right thing, surely, is to demonstrate that your children are loved and lovable unconditionally, and to teach them that other people deserve respect (unless proved conclusively by their actions that they don't), regardless of their sexual orientation, colour or creed.
I didn't find it a challenge to do that.
;hmm
If schools teach that same sex marriage is as relevant and acceptable as hetrosexual marriage, do they also accept and teach that living together outside marriage is also wholly acceptable, I.certainly hope so.
Or I am most certainly damned.
I do agree that it is the primary role of parents that they demonstrate to their children that they are loved and loved unconditionally.
Even in the case where a child has committed a heinous act, they absolutely have to face the consequences of their actions, but they still must have the support of their parents, no matter how difficult that may be.
Ho hum
Your right its not difficult to...
" is to demonstrate that your children are loved and lovable unconditionally, and to teach them that other people deserve respect (unless proved conclusively by their actions that they don't), regardless of their sexual orientation, colour or creed."
& this is exactly what i do.
I do disagree with including sexual orientation or sexual education as part of a primary school curriculum, if they ask or make comments that require an explanation i will explain. but i agree with Pards, let kids be kids, tooth fairies and all you only get to be that innocent once.
I think you will find however that many peoples views differ from ours with regard to acceptance whether it be bigotry, religion or culture hence my "impossible to be right" comment
I can't see that sex education is part of Primary PSHE.
The only thing I could find was: So, I doubt if Primary schools have planned sex education lessons.
However, I can easily see how the issue might come up, especially with older Primary children, and I would expect any teacher to deal with the issue, which would include reflecting current law, imo.
The things is, a far as I can tell, Primary schools don't make it a teaching point.
Perhaps the confusion lies in people using the generic term 'schools'?
Tangentially - this conversation started after BozJon's appointment to the Cabinet, and a posting of his views on the issue.
#youcanalwaysblameBozJon
;angry