The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50

MrsGrey

;hippo

grey_til_I_dye

Ravel49

Tomkins (TWC) vs Collins (IZZY)

TheMadcapLaughs

Grey, this shows what is expected short term. This negativity and "nervousness" is expected. No one knows the long term ramifications, absolutely impossible to predict. But I think we have a better chance of making a go of it long term out of The EU, more freedom, more opportunities. It does depend, though, on a strong political will. I think the current political vacuum has caused more uncertainty than Brexit. We need strong government making major decisions now, both in terms of a clear exit plan and with regards to the UK economy. The government should push all major proposed infrastructure projects forward and give the economy a shot in the arm. I think the economy needed this with or without the referendum. Many predicted a new World recession irrespective of the referendum or its result. Although it is obviously quite convenient to blame the Outers for all the current ills. I see the result as a clear indication that change is needed, people actually want to be listened to. I think if the Remainers had won then those at the top would have taken it as an indication that all was rosy, and things (IMO) quite clearly are not. From my perspective I just don`t see the EU as good value for money, whatever the figures £350 million, £140 million; for what?? What do these people do day in day out? I suppose for a detailed analysis I could read EU directive 38, article 44, subsection 19 paragraph A (amendment b4, sub amendment 19).

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/629190/fury-taxpayer-funded-wage-rise-EU-bosses-Jean-Claude-Juncker-Jonathan-Isaby

The mind boggles.

grey_til_I_dye

I see the result as a clear indication that change is needed, people actually want to be listened to.

As one of the 48% of the people not being listened to, I think we'll have to disagree on that one...

TheMadcapLaughs

grey_til_I_dye said:

I see the result as a clear indication that change is needed, people actually want to be listened to.

As one of the 48% of the people not being listened to, I think we'll have to disagree on that one...

Who said that????????????? ;puzzled

TheMadcapLaughs

And Grey us Outers are listening to the Remainers. We have no choice, what with the moaning and groaning, the doom and the gloom, the pie charts and graphs and experts, the ftse100 the ftse250 the pound the dollar the euro, the trade deal with them the tariffs on this, Scotland want out, Scotland want in! OMG, not listening you say, if only we had the choice................ ;wink

mike

Grey ;wave

I know this is a hypothetical question but as a matter of interest if the votes had been reversed and remain came out 52-48 % what would you be saying to any leave posters who thought it was unfair.?

SuzanneClaret

pardewalegend

Grey

Sometimes you have to listen to the majority, no matter how small the margins are

And to be honest I'm getting bored of the tantrums the remainers are still doing.

NEoldiron

And pards, I'm getting bored with the leavers accusing the Remainers of tantrums unless concern for one's country, its economy, its position in the world, its society, its young, its institutions, its FUTURE can be described as such.

I wonder if there aren't a few leavers out there who are sticking to their positions in spite of all the fallout that's beginning to occur, the negative predictions beginning to materialise, the realisation that they've been suckered by a pack of lies, because they might, just might, be beginning to actually think (to take some lines from Talking Heads).

"And you may ask yourself
Am I right? Am I wrong?
And you may say to yourself, "My God! What have I done?"

Anyone for a tantrum?

IronHerb

Fair enough Pards but when the Leavers are day by day going back on the policies for campaigned for then I think I am entitled to have, as you put it, a tantrum.

NEoldiron

And another thing I'm really bored with is this idiotically flippant attitude the leavers seem to have adopted in the face of potentially the biggest crisis since the, errmm, last biggest crisis ( ;biggrin for the leavers)

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Unfortunately the whole thing is a mess, led by that incompetent buffoon who will now cowardly run away from making the real decisions and acting accordingly.

There were probably plenty of people on both sides who voted without having the amount of knowledge possibly required to make such an important decision.

There were others that were probably overloaded and many that only wanted to listen to one side of the argument.

I tell you what it has shown, the UK was/is being run/lead by a bunch of people that only appear to be in it for themselves, yes they all probably do some great work in the background, but look at the state of it all now?

Even if I could've voted, I wouldn't of, I have no intentions of coming back to the UK yet (in the foreseeable), therefore I wouldn't of wanted to influence any decision on the good folk who do live there and who it does or will affect day to day

MrsGrey

My biggest ;lol is reserved for Farage who has never had a good word to say about the EU, yet has been an MEP with his snout in the trough for years, during which he has hardly bothered with voting or attending because 'you can't reform from within', has resigned as UKIP leader but is going to remain as MEP and keep taking the ££££££

;doh

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

yep sums it up, whats that a 73K a year job right there?

SuzanneClaret

Hypocrite

MrsGrey

;ok

Plus loads more in travel allowances, attendance allowance (although as President of that group he doesn't actually have to attend to get the allowance) expense allowances, subsistence allowances etc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11725041

He is just a hypocrite, imo.

pardewalegend

Fair points

However we are OUT now regardless of someone wished they had done this and that, there is NO going back.

So the sooner it's accepted and we move in the better.

As for the leavers not coming through on certain issues this is nothing we have not seen before..

It normally happens after every general election ;ok

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Pards for PM if you ask me

Lol

;biggrin

SuzanneClaret

Lol

Ravel49

Lol

MrsGrey

pardewalegend said:

As for the leavers not coming through on certain issues this is nothing we have not seen before..

It normally happens after every general election ;ok

Although after 4 years, we can vote them out and try a different approach.

Not a option here, sadly.

grey_til_I_dye

mike

Had the positions been reversed I would have stuck with my initial position:

this was not an issue that should have been left to a referendum

pards


However we are OUT now regardless

Er, no, not at the moment we're not, and won't be until

a) a Prime Minister triggers Article 50

b) parliament approves it

NEoldiron

And here's something more for the leavers to slap themselves on the back for - read to the end:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36715806

and also from "Current account deficit"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36713356

Colchester_Iron

lol

Swissiron

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

yep sums it up, whats that a 73K a year job right there?

and the rest - more like a gross tax equivalent of 200k

NEoldiron

AKA, so the economy tanks with all the consequences of that - taxation hikes, services cuts, austerity for foreseeable future etc. etc. - and you're proud? Or just too stubborn to admit the referendum was a huge mistake? ;angry

Expat_Hammer

NE, on the radio yesterday morning they were mentioning tax CUTS
You haven't been reading the BBC again, have you ;puzzled

baracks_a_hammer

NEoldiron said:

AKA, so the economy tanks with all the consequences of that - taxation hikes, services cuts, austerity for foreseeable future etc. etc. - and you're proud? Or just too stubborn to admit the referendum was a huge mistake? ;angry

Both the state schools my daughters go to have had funding slashed in recent years - many things like music provisions simply taken out. Paint peeling from the walls, heaters not working, drinking water fountains not working. Parents basically being told to make a monthly contribution to keep certain services going. Meanwhile, 3 miles down the road, in an area where population has been bursting, tens of millions spent on stunning state of the art high tech school facilities. All this whilst we are merrily enjoying a fine existence in the EU.

So I too am slapping myself on the back. So hard in fact that it is red raw. The only regret being that this choice wasn't given years ago.