The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

MrsGrey said:

Can he actually make that commitment? Does he have the power to bind the govt to such a promise? ;hmm

It's never stopped any of them before.....

IronHerb

Last week they were promising £350m a week.

MrsGrey

He seems to be well on the way to further alienating Scotland by hinting that he's going to tear up the new funding agreement before the ink is dry.

A ruse so that he can later 'compromise' on it if Scotland promise not to have another referendum?

Tomw85

Gove has shown his true colours!

MrsGrey

He's a Cyndi Lauper fan? ;nonono

IronHerb

Well, Goves just want to have fun

;yercoat

MrsGrey

;lol

TheMadcapLaughs

There is only one constant throughout this process, politicians lie, they lied before the referendum, during the referendum, and continue to lie after it. I voted out based on this simple equation:

More politicians equals bad whereas less politicians equals good.

And I refuse to accept "the given" that the economy in the medium to long term will be inevitably weaker. I`m not saying it won`t, it`s just not as inevitable as we are lead to believe.

It is also not an absolute given that to trade with Europe in a mutually beneficial way we have to accept free movement of people. It is also not a given that trading within the single market, bound by the single market rules, reaps nothing but pluses and benefits. There are negatives also to consider.

I`m not sure of the exact figures (where`s ASLEF) but I am sure that I read somewhere that by even the most conservative estimate we are nett contributors to the tune of £140 million per week. Not good value in my book. I`d be happy with £35 million a week extra on The NHS. Got to be better value than spending it on non elected bureaucrats.

TheMadcapLaughs

I logged out, but logged straight back in to CMU Ironherb. ;biggrin ;diva

I`d pay good money to see Gove singing that...............

baracks_a_hammer

Re: Gove

I'm not particularly interested in whether someone may or may not have stabbed a fellow contender in the back - if that was top of the list of criteria, I expect most ftse execs might not be where they are today

Of greater relevance IMO is who will see the Brexit process through to the most optimal outcome for the UK as a whole.

It's not that I'm against May per se, I'm struggling to get my head round how she might deliver the best outcome given who she backed in the referendum.

thornburyiron

She "backed" remain but refused to campaign. In the past she'd always been a euro sceptic for the most part due to her battles with the EU when trying to deport or extradite criminals or terrorists etc.

baracks_a_hammer

Thorn ;ok

I didn't know that she didn't actively campaign

Tomw85

Barracks I don't really remember hearing her name apart from when one article in the paper said she was remain. Before it all kicked off there was talk of her fronting the leave vote. I said to a friend a while ago that she had been clever keeping out of the headlines throughout all of the brexit shenanigans!

NEoldiron

More interesting reading (if you can be bothered):

http://bruegel.org/2016/06/markets-and-broken-promises-in-the-uk-referendum/

We're doomed, doomed I tell ye ;wahoo ;nonono

pardewalegend

Both sides lied like a cheap watch time will tell
Teresa may will be a perfect PM she's a tough cookie her ;ok

baracks_a_hammer

Do cheap watches lie?? I never knew that ;lol

OutcastLondoner

My salary (set in dollars) increased £315 ;nonono

That's on top of it having increased anyway since the referendum started and the pound started bouncing about.

Can we Brexit next month as well? ;biggrin

AdMeus_CaputFilius

Thought this had some interesting points.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/was-brexit-fear-a-giant-hoax-or-is-this-the-calm-before-the-next/

NEoldiron

Seems to be a rise in xenophobic abuse since the Brexit vote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36656348

But someone will probably say it's only the reporting that has increased
;hmm

TheMadcapLaughs

OutcastLondoner said:

My salary (set in dollars) increased £315 ;nonono

That's on top of it having increased anyway since the referendum started and the pound started bouncing about.

Can we Brexit next month as well? ;biggrin

Thats the spirit Outcast. You know it makes sense, this time next year Rodders.............

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

It's probably always been there, those "thoughts" unfortunately some morons believe that the brexit result gave them the okay to treat people like that, in fact they should be the one leaving.

baracks_a_hammer

So where do people stand on Tonks front - leave or remain? ;hmm

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Leave

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

NEoldiron

As all the Brexiteers seem to want a Little Britain, I nominate Vicky Pollard for PM ;biggrin

grey_til_I_dye

Dee

According to this article, the UK produces 54% of its food, and imports 27% of its food from the EU, which is more than all the other countries combined.

In addition, 70% of the UK's food and agricultural produce currently goes to the EU.

http://qz.com/716156/the-british-import-a-quarter-of-their-food-from-the-eu-and-thats-a-problem/

MrsGrey

Tarrifs might be reduced on imports of non-EU food (but will not disappear, as the WTO will still put tariffs on, rather than the EU doing it).

Also, it is highly likely that once outside the EU (where we currently import tariff-free), tariffs will be added as we will no longer be part of the single market.

Of course, once it is all sorted out some 2, 3 or 4 years down the line ... we may have cheaper imports overall. But it is by no means as certain or as clear cut as the Leave campaign promised.

And the fall in the pound means that those imports will effectively be costing us more (tariffs or not).

Yeoldhammer

FYI Australia had a petition going after Brexit to get out of the Commonwealth. Not sure many countries actually want to be in the commonwealth.

NEoldiron

Dee, maybe you don't consciously want to be a little Englander, but that is one of the unintended consequences of Brexit since the UK will most likely break up.
I wonder how much research Brexiteers did on the implications and ramifications of a Leave victory, apart from swallowing the lies and half-truths about immigration control and 100's millions for the NHS.

thornburyiron

NE did you swallow the lies about WW3 and Armageddon then. Typical remain stance that everyone who voted leave is an ignorant uneducated racist. You're implying that only remain people researched or understood what it was all about.