The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50
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Neither side has come out with any particular credibility. But then I didn`t expect them to.
I know it may sound a little bit leftfield, but given this decision, (and if anyone of the gutless, chinless wonders actually has the stomach to trigger article 50), then perhaps a coalition government of the brightest, most dynamic, driven, free thinkers currently sitting in the House of Commons (an oxymoron I know) could be formed that actually works on behalf of and for the UK above all else. There must be enough talent, surely, amongst our finest to make this work.
I know in times of war, for instance during the first and second world wars, when Germany was trying to take over Europe the government formed a coalition and stood strong, and proud, and together. I know this isn`t wartime, and Germany isn`t trying to take over Eur..........
Hang on.........
;hmm
http://www.whu606.com/discussion/9756/building-bridges-with-spreads-and-preserves-whats-your-favourite?
Another asked him if we curb immigration where are the British going to get their nannies and staff from. He had to tell them very few British people have nannies and staff.
Finally another asked why all the fuss over the NHS, nobody he knows uses the NHS. He had to remind him that not all British people are multi millionaires and practically all of them, including immigrants have to use the NHS at some point.
They didn't understand.
The following reasons in no particular order of importance.
1.The referendum result is not legally binding, since, as has been stated before, it is Parliament that makes the law.
2.The Leave campaign was promoted on a basis of blatant lies and the Leave voters bought it. (cf. the Dead Parrot sketch)
The twin issues that were the main focal points for the Leave campaign, viz. controlled immigration and 350 million for the NHS, have been admitted to be impossible to fulfill.
3.The will of the people is NOT represented by only 37% of the total electorate.
4.It has been said that it would be political suicide to ignore the "will of the people", well I think that the loss of a few politicians is nothing compared to the damage that this MADNESS will cause the country in addition to that which has already been caused.
5.It seems, anecdotally, that, in the expectation of a Remain victory, many voters voted to leave merely as a protest.
6.It will be an act of the utmost dereliction of Parliamentary duty, not to mention cowardice, to allow this referendum result to be enacted.
How much has it already cost the UK since the result was announced, and how long will it take, if ever, to recoup this loss?
The really big worry is if we lose the financial service industry because if we do we are going to be Greece Mk2, (no offence Grey and MrsG)
Greece is in a mess.
Why do you think that the REMAIN camp really did vote Leave as a protest.
Point 6, so you go to the people to ask "What do you want us to do" and then turn around and stick up two fingers .................. Yeah OK, they do that anyway ;whistle
I assume that you were in the remain side ;hmm
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
If only 37% of the electorate voted to leave then even less voted to stay.
You can't have referenda or any kind of election or competition if the losers can always ask for it to be done again.
It's not Rock Paper Scissors and you say at the start best of 5.
No referendum is binding on parliament. (Unless parliament passes a law before the event that makes it so)
Our system of parliamentary democracy means parliament is sovereign. Referendum is advisory only.
If a referendum is not legally binding, is it not madness to act according to the result if that means following a path that is heading to disaster?
You're the captain of a ship and all the GPS and other navigational aids are broken. So you're steering on a particular course because the passengers had a vote to decide which direction to head and more of them voted to go in one direction than the others.
You can see that the ship is heading towards rocks, so do you ignore the passengers' vote and turn the ship around or do you carry on towards certain ruin?
Would it not be a dereliction of duty and responsibility to follow the passengers' instructions just because they made a democratic choice?
Or do you give them the choice of another vote?
A referendum is a glorified opinion poll. We do not live in a plebiscite or in Ancient Greece. Our elected MPs will ultimately make our decisions for us and the referendum is nothing but a gauge of public opinion.
Very difficult to ignore, ultimately, but not impossible. The referendum certainly isn't it all done and dusted.
I would be amazed if we don't see another referendum in two years time when the exact nature of our exit deal with the EU has been laid out for all to see.
If you look at this on the BBC, it show ALL the Major Stock Markets are falling (Dow Jones, NASDAQ, DAX, CAC 30 the last two being the German and French)
And this one http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/stockmarket/default.stm
shows only 6 out of 36 have actually risen, of those falling the FTSE 25 has the higher % drop but the FTSE 100 has fallen LESS as a % than other European markets.
So is part of the fall due to GLOBAL factors rather than the Brexit result and why are the BBC not reporting the falls in the other markets as enthusiastically as they are with the UK markets - are the trying to create the news to support the remains experts predictions, (which they seemed to like a lot in the lead up to the vote as they were headline stories) in the belief that by continually saying and highlighting the negatives it will all go pear shaped they will talk it into happening whether it would have or not? - the old saying "if you repeat it often enough people will start to believe it is true whether it is or not" springs to mind. I always though, despite claiming impartiality, the BBC we in favour of remaining, so it would suit them for the doom and gloom predictions to come true.
I see the chestnut about age and education is still doing the rounds again on the BBC. What people forget (or in the case of the younger votes do not realise) is that unlike for most of them over the last 15 years, for most of those growing up in the 20th century, there was no option to go to University and study for a degree and to a certain level no encouragement. This does not make these people any less intelligent, in fact most of them have gain a lot of valuable life experience that the younger generation have not. Also in the 18-25 demographic, only 35% of those who could have vote actually bothered to so, if you had bothered to turn out in the numbers that the 'oldies' did, you would probably have swung the remain vote to win.
Dare I also suggest that that the SNP's and others running around suggesting the break up of the UK "Because some of us voted to stay and still want to" might also be contributing to the uncertainty. You can bet if remain had won they would be dismissing any leave antics like theirs with a "Majority voted to stay so deal with" type attitude. It was a UK wide vote and the UK voted to leave by a Majority. Instead of all the current goings on they should be pausing, seeing what will be on offer over the next several months and then deciding what to do.
Instead we have them, led by the SNP, charging around like a Bull in a China shop creating even more of a mess - it is clear that the SNP really do have a policy of "Independence at any cost". ;hmm Wonder if it might also be a bit of panic as the signs are up to close the station to the EU gravy train that many of them had an eye on, what are they going to do now once their domestic political career is over...
Wishful thinking I think - So lets say they don't, at the next election UKIP base their campaign on "enacting Article 50 as the majority in the referendum voted for" and all the other parties went with not enacting - who do you think would form the next government or be the party with the most MP's in a coalition? Bearing in mind that 37% of the voting population who bothered to vote, voted leave and at a General Election would want to elect a Gov't that would carry out that wish and that the general rule of thumb is that a percentage of that amount is normally enough to get enough MP's with a Majority.