The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50
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BUT the Brexit campaign was NOT based on Immigration is bad - that is what the Remain campaign accused it of saying. What was being said is that uncontrolled immigration is bad and the EU Immigration rules are actually discriminatory against non-Europeans, like our close relations in Australia, New Zealand and Canada.
Corbyn. Now personally I don't particularly like the guy, but what has he done to
offend so many people since the vote.
An EU referendum result I (which I assume many) did not expect, which is fine if you wanted it but many didn't and some wish they hadn't voted for.
Cameron not fulfilling what he said he would i.e. remain Prime Minister no matter what.
Boris actually realising he may have to go through with what he said he would do, but now understands that it is more complicated than he had contemplated, presuming he does actually want out of Europe.
Corbyn in a position of no confidence and sacking anyone who doesn't agree with him, yet believes he can still lead a revolution.
Farage loving the fact he has got what he wanted, despite not being an MP but probably wondering if what he expects to happen, will actually happen, .
Everyone wondering what the Monday morning stock markets will look like.
I do wish the result had been different but I guess we need to get on with it.
Thank goodness we still have West Ham, Bilic and Payet (for now anyway).
Gove
;doh
But that's how many perceived it, lacking your subtlety.
The whole 'cut immigration' line - which of course predates the referendum - has for a long time been peddled by UKIP (an organisation which openly allied themselves with an avowedly and openly racist MEP so secure their EU funding); it has been part of the Daily Mail's discriminatory racist agenda for years. It is the long-established aim of openly racist groups and individuals. And covert ones too.
So I am not surprised that the 'officialisation' of a view which seems to support an anti-immigrant position opens the door to more overt and explicit attacks on immigrants. And against people who are not immigrants but have brown skin.
I maintain that the referendum has legitimised (for some people) the expression of racist views. And for that, I hold the Brexit campaigners mainly responsible, for not distinguishing clearly enough, and for taking advantage of the existing groundswell of hate without sufficient concern for the consequences.
Thinks it's time for calm now whilst we embark on a new era.
We will continue to trade with the EU they need us as much as we need them however we won't have to pay for the privalage.
We can live and die by our own laws and decisions.
And there is nothing racist about a points based immigration system ;ok
I doubt very much that the UK will be able to negotiate such favourable terms as it currently enjoys.
End result:
same rules and laws at a worse rate.
Excellent effort all round...
The good thing about this is that we all think we know but are just guessing
We pretty much all know nothing
I would like to think we are stronger than that though but hey time will tell
But realistically, who has the strongest negotiating position?
The UK isn't self-sufficient in food.
We need to buy food from somewhere else.
So who will be in a position to negotiate the most favourable terms?
The U.K. Is one of the EU biggest customers in or out they will be looking to trade with us.
Germany have put there hand out
Aston Martin have announced a new 200 million pound project today
And Boeing have confirmed there head office will be in the uk
There's a lot of hot air from both sides at the moment
Thorn, the terms of a new deal being less favourable is my supposition, yes; it's why I chose Remain.
The requirement to accept EU rules and laws to be part of the 'common market' is a fact.
Because it's typical British doom and gloom
Now if the Leavers become PM and don't want to trigger it, they're the one bottling it.
When he did bottle it was when he called a referendum with no real run-up because he wanted to stop his backbenchers defecting.
That this increase in racism has come is no surprise to me. It was enough of a reason to vote no, though that apparently made me a London elite.
Dodger, it's true there were plenty of attempts to put a better face on the immigration line but I don't find any of them honest. Did EU immigration policy stop the UK giving long-term visas to people from the commonwealth? And there were few attempts to counter some of the outright hatred - like Farage's 1930s style poster.
Hard to tell how EU will react regarding trade terms. There's a possibility they'll punish the UK to stop other countries following.
If the uk stopped buying German cars they would be I a dire situation and that's one example.
People should have a little more confidence in the uk.
And this is the beginning of the end of a very flawed eu.
With regards to immigration what people saw last year scared them the eu handled it dreadfully
Lets hope nobody with a pension that is for now worth as much as a packet of mint humbugs was planning on retiring this week.
Pound to euro 1.23
Pound to dollar 1.34
Not the stuff of nightmares yet
There you go again Mrs G, not quoting in the full context. What I actually wrote was: I never said it had not been and in fact acknowledge it was the case (see the underlined bit above).
When pressed by Andrew Marr about this on the box this morning, IDS (who I admit to having not a lot of time for) Stated that he had never made this pledge and repeated basically the same as I put in my post you quoted, which he said is all he had said about it whenever it had been discussed when he was asked about it. AM pressed and badgered him further about this and still not getting the answer he wanted he then also showed him a picture of the bus and as IDS then was trying to explain again he had never made the pledge of all £350 Million being spent on the NHS, he rudely moved on to another subject.
I have developed a lot of distaste over the last few week regarding a lot of the TV presenters as rather than asking a question the allowing the interviewee to answer, they badger and press to get a 'Headline Quote' that can be used in the next news bulletin as an 'Exclusive'. Whether this is at the behest of the producers (quite possible) or not, I have noticed that some interviewee's are 'gone after' with a lot more zeal than others which I believe reflects the reporters/presenters bias on the issue under question - so much for being impartial.
;angry
It will come back eventually but it's disheartening to say the least, I'm sure there are plenty on here in the same boat
Tell me where in any of the leave literature is said a vote to leave legitimised racist views? There were many times the leave went on record to strenuously deny that any EU citizens in the UK at present would be forced to leave of deported and that immigration was not bad, it just needed more control. If those people indulging in these actions believe this was the case they are sorely mistaken.
On question time tonight, one person stated that in his view that the EU freedom of movement rule were actually racist as they discriminated against non-EU migrants. He asked why is it acceptable that people from outside the EU have to go through an immigrations process to enter the UK when EU immigrants don't have to. All he wanted was a level playing field so that friends and family of his had the same chance of being allowed in and everybody else - Fair point I thought, he was Asian by the way so does that make him a racist?
Out of interest if a White Brit made the same statement, would you regard them as a racist?
A new one not yet fully on line: Energy. The UK produces and abundance of Green energy that is cheaper than anywhere else in Europe. As a result there are projects underway to run cables between the UK and France to bus energy along. One links via Alderney where a huge project to harness tidal energy is being built. The idea is there will be two sets of cables, these will be DC so one pair in each direction ( http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9mSs3e9WXBXQSEARcZLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBydHRqMjgyBGNvbG8DaXIyBHBvcwM1BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1467009598/RO=10/RU=http://www.fablink.net//RK=0/RS=Uspnq.BRSLRGUSsYxSvvBw6ltOw-).
I visited this project recently as part of my job, towards the end of the visit some of the discussion turned to how the project, once on line would work. This was partly funded by a European grant as a special interest project and supposed to be mutually beneficial, however the aims seen to have changed a bit from the original concept........
Now, this will benefit the French (and others) enormously as they are having trouble with hitting the Carbon Emissions targets as per the agreement that have been signed, so their answer is to 'Buy' it from us - I say buy, but it is essentially EDF selling it to EDF, the same with other European owned power companies (the 'purchase' will have to show on the UK sales accounts, whether this is done as an external sale or an internal one to dodge taxes remains to be seen.....). So they will get their emissions down hitting their targets and be buying cheaper energy than they produce at home (which they will be selling for the same price - so Euro's in there).
Of course there is a down side to this. If they are taking Energy (which is only supposed to be any surplus) it means we need to produce more. We have a number of relatively modern gas fired generators which are (compared to others) very efficient, these are currently running at abut 25% capacity, so to make more surplus green energy, these will be upped in capacity and sold on the UK market, therefore any increase in Carbon Emissions will be on the UK targets. Currently ours are not only on, but exceeding the targets set for current period ending in 2020 (1990 - 2014 total Green House Emissions down35% , Carbon Emissions down 29%) and by the end current 2020 reduction plan are expected well on the way to the 2030 target of 40 -44% and additional 5-10% carbon offsetting to hit the reduction from 1990 by a total of 50%. Other EU Countries are not so they see adding to ours to reduce theirs as part of the answer, also they have already exceeded their offsetting allowances.
Siemens had already invested £630 million in the new plant so were hardly going to throw that away.
This is a Global Company with many stings to its bow and they already have numerous sites in the UK and around the world and whether we are in or out of the EU is probably of little consequence to them. One of the projects my company works on (which I client manage) involves over 170 locations world wide including many in Europe. When visiting I spend as much time on conference calls with the other locations as I do with the people I an visiting - why? because when they run their own projects they involve people all over the world working together for the common aim (no lesson learning intended but is apt at this time I think).
Scotland are NOT a member of the EU as an individual nation, they are members as part of the UK whom the EU have agreements with and until such time that they are recognised as a single nation by virtue of an independence referendum and break up of the UK, cannot apply for membership, no matter what the SNP may believe.
If they do and apply, this is what they need to comply with: So the SNP are misleading the Scottish People.
Key Questions: How much will Scotland have to pay the EU? Will they be entitled to a Rebate (Probably not)? and what will happen to all the grants they get?
It has always been considered that Scotland get a disproportionate level of grants than other areas of the UK (don't have the data so cannot say for sure), this is based partly on the amount of Money the UK pays in, so if Scotland pays considerably less, it stands to reason that the level of grants will be less as the EU will want them to be a net contributor.
On the NI issue: Firstly the SNP are being disingenuous in this regard, unlike Scotland not all of the regions voted to remain, in fact six of them had clear majority leave votes, the overall vote to remain only being 35% of the total number of people registered to vote. So for the SNP to state to support any move for NI to be independent of the UK, based on the fact that the majority voted to remain for the whole of NI is hypocritical in the extreme. If they believe that, then as the referendum was for the UK to remain or leave and the majority of the UK voted to leave, then they should accept that vote.
Given that less than two thirds of the voting population in NI did vote and there was only 91,000 votes between the remain and leave totals, I think it would a very risky thing to do based on the EU voting.
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