The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50

Colchester_Iron

We had a referendum on Scottish membership of the UK. The Scots voted to remain part of the UK.

We had a referendum on UK (not Scottish) membership of the EU. As part of the UK, all Scots were entitled to vote on UK membership of the EU. Those that wanted to vote did. The UK voted to leave the EU.

#NoHypocrisy

IronHerb

thornburyiron said:

Moojor the UK parliament has to approve/make the law change to allow another referendum. The Scots can't just have one.

No. I think you'll find that the Scottish Parliament can arrange and carry out the referendum as Sturdeon said "the Scottish government would begin preparing legislation to enable another independence vote."

baracks_a_hammer

IMO it's the beginning of the end of the EU in its current form. There'll be a queue of countries looking at us and demanding they have a similar say.

Eventually all that could be left is a German republic overseeing struggling economies such as Portugal, Spain and Italy

thornburyiron

And a totally bankrupt Greece.

SuzanneClaret

thin end of the wedge...

China and The US are laughing like drains...

Moojor

Scotland voted to remain in the UK which was part of the EU and therefore by extension Scotland were in the EU.

Not that the situation has changed dramatically and added to the fact that Scotland voted to remain in the EU, they will be doing what ever they can do ensure they get that vote.

Colchester_Iron

Agreed Moojor. I'm sure they will be looking for a referendum.

The referendum yesterday was about Britain's membership of the EU. Not Scotland's membership of the EU.

I see what you and other people are driving at. Personally, I am not bothered if the Scots have an annual referendum on UK membership. Just thought I would point out a couple of facts.

ASLEFshrugged

Since 1945 there have been thirteen Prime Ministers of which six took office when their predecessor quit and only one - Anthony Eden - called an immediate General Election

The question is will Corbyn resign because unless he quits he's likely to win should there be a challenge. Earlier this year there was a poll of Labour members on that scenario, over 60% backed Corbyn, more than when he was elected leader.

simonc

Looks like the Euro savings will need to be spent on rebuilding Hadrian's wall, the Scott's will keep voting till they get the answer they want, that's what they call democracy

McHammer

62% of voters in Scotland wanted to stay (74% in my city of Edinburgh). The mood here is not a happy one.

simonc

If i am not mistaken, the UK voted and the UK decided, the 48% pro Euro faction are spread throughout the UK not just Scotland. Is Scotland going to continue to threaten to leave every time it doesn't get what it wants?

IronHerb

Scotland took an independence vote based on the UK being in Europe. The playing field has changed considerably and so, imo, they should get to vote again.

MrsGrey

Bit like what the UK has done in respect of European Union. ;ok

Colchester_Iron

We can always vote to go back in after the EU has been reformed and the playing field has changed.

simonc

So if the Scottish and Northern Ireland votes had kept the UK in Europe then no one would have questioned England and Wales having another referendum to split the UK?
I think not

madridhammer

McHammer said:

62% of voters in Scotland wanted to stay (74% in my city of Edinburgh). The mood here is not a happy one.

McHammer-I'm genuinely on your side over this one & I hope Scotland gets its independence a.s.a.p.

madridhammer

Ok, I have a vested interest because I live in Madrid so let's get that one out of the way.
Looking at the bigger picture I'm utterly terrified for our country,I'm furious that the over 65s have swung the vote towards leave & ruined the prospects of the nation's youth & fearful that the likes of Farage could have a serious say in how the country is run.The man is evil.

madridhammer

SuzanneClaret said:

Good.

Labour need a strong person at the helm..... someone to combat Boris.

Andy Burnham for me.

SuzanneClaret

madridhammer said:

SuzanneClaret said:

Good.

Labour need a strong person at the helm..... someone to combat Boris.

Andy Burnham for me.

Oh yes... great shout ;ok

SuzanneClaret

A lot of uncertainty ahead for high street banks, as all our armed robbers come back from Spain.

Credit; Frankie Boyle

Colchester_Iron

We are still allowed to have police.

MrsGrey

madridhammer said:

Ok, I have a vested interest because I live in Madrid so let's get that one out of the way.
Looking at the bigger picture I'm utterly terrified for our country,I'm furious that the over 65s have swung the vote towards leave

Interesting analysis here of the demographics of the In/Out voters. (scroll down a bit).

Comparing the results to key demographic characteristics of the local authority areas, some patterns emerge more clearly than others. The best predictor of a vote for remain is the proportion of residents who have a degree.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis

IronHerb

simonc said:

So if the Scottish and Northern Ireland votes had kept the UK in Europe then no one would have questioned England and Wales having another referendum to split the UK?
I think not

To be frank Simon, I don't think you will get to decide.

SuzanneClaret

Colchester_Iron said:

We are still allowed to have police.

Not if Theresa May has anything to do with it.

#group4

IronHerb

Ian Abrahams (Moose) ‏@BroadcastMoose 17m17 minutes ago

Enjoyed my cup of tea overlooking the Eiffel Tower only cost 3 Euros or at current rates a council house in Barrow ;lol

thornburyiron

Madrid why have the over 65s ruined the prospects of our youth. The way the EU is going it wouldn't have benefited anyone. The majority of the EU are now eurosceptic and referenda elsewhere could also lead to a leave vote.
What you forget or never knew was that the over 65s knew it before we joined and at the time it was purely a trade arrangement. However at that time Germany and France were already planning a political union.

thornburyiron

The drop in currency values they keep on about is from the figures at 10pm after the big banks had expected an in vote and we're starting on their "let's make billions out of this" philosophy.
The £$ rate is not much different to the rate I got when I went to Florida earlier this year.

McHammer

madridhammer said:

McHammer said:

62% of voters in Scotland wanted to stay (74% in my city of Edinburgh). The mood here is not a happy one.

McHammer-I'm genuinely on your side over this one & I hope Scotland gets its independence a.s.a.p.

cheers. for ref i voted against independance and to remain in the E.U.

ironmike44

Madrid - as somebody who lives in Spain, are you equally furious at the EU's inability to tackle the very high level of youth unemployment in that country? Many of them with degrees can't even get a job serving coffee in Starbucks - unlike our own graduates, many of whom have been able able to secure such exulted positions as a result of the benign intervention of the EU.
They will of course, all shortly lose their livelihoods and futures, as a result of us oldies have have the temerity to express our view, having experienced the full 40 years of EU mismanagement, in a referendum. Shame on us, we really ought to shuffle off to our rooms in the care home, and stay out of important issues which, unless we have a degree, we clearly are not qualified or entitled to meddle in.

grey_til_I_dye

Can people please think about the tone of their posts?

Let's not start making this personal.