If slav walks instead of being fired ,how much money does that save .use that add to it stop messing about make an offer to Rafa that he cant refuse ..job done
That would be the Rafa who agreed to join us and then dropped us for Real, would it?
Of course, I know, anyone would, but
a) we already agreed a deal with him he decided not to honour
b) see a)
And for goodness' sake, please would those insisting the owners are too mean to pay compensation provide some evidence to support this, or stop making baseless accusations?
Of course, there may be those who reject this simply on account of it is something Sully said, but I hardly think it likely he would be lying about something like this.
That would be the Rafa who agreed to join us and then dropped us for Real, would it?
Of course, I know, anyone would, but
a) we already agreed a deal with him he decided not to honour
b) see a)
And for goodness' sake, please would those insisting the owners are too mean to pay compensation provide some evidence to support this, or stop making baseless accusations?
It’s not difficult to find evidence.
Avram Grant - unemployed Sam Allardyce - unemployed Slaven Bilic - unemployed David Moyes (?) - unemployed
and why exactly would Rafa want to leave Newcastle just as he's about to get rid of Ashley and get new owners who will give him the transfer budget he wants?
They may not be the best managers but I myself do not understand why the players at this club never seem to be able to play their best football consistently and why performances in the main are awful with very little passion.
Also players that join us seem to become hopeless after a while.
Having supported this club for so long like many on here I just do not understand why no matter who is in charge, things just never seem to improve for very long.
Bilic surely wasn’t as bad a manager as our players have made him look. His Croatia team were very good and I know results have been poor but he seems a nice man and I feel quite sad for him.
The chant of you don't know what you are doing must surely be levelled at the board if they appoint Moyes. He has been nothing but an utter failure since leaving Everton and been sacked very quickly, why on earth do they think he is the man for us? Unfortunately we may deserve all we get from this.
What the players need more than anything now is a man to come in that they have confidence in, that they feel can steer them to safety, when Moyes walks through the door they will know he took Sunderland down last year after 10 years in the Premiership without more than a wimper, that he was sacked from spain within a year having achieved nothing and managed to be the man to fail to secure Champions league football for Man Utd for the first time since football was invented.
Why will they feel confident in his ability to manage them and steer them away from trouble?
According to various sources Moyes will bring Alan Irvine as his assistant manager but Phil Neville won't be joining as he wants to find a club of his own, possibly Sunderland. Irvine was his assistant at Everton but is currently out of a job.
Moyes also wants an 18 month contract rather than the six months offered by the board
That would be the Rafa who agreed to join us and then dropped us for Real, would it?
Of course, I know, anyone would, but
a) we already agreed a deal with him he decided not to honour
b) see a)
And for goodness' sake, please would those insisting the owners are too mean to pay compensation provide some evidence to support this, or stop making baseless accusations?
It’s not difficult to find evidence.
Avram Grant - unemployed Sam Allardyce - unemployed Slaven Bilic - unemployed David Moyes (?) - unemployed
How on earth is that evidence that they won't pay compensation?
suz, I was puzzled too until I realised Luke is saying they were not working when we hired them, so didn't need to buy them out of an existing contract.
Which doesn't of course, address the fact that if you need someone quickly after you have sacked a manager, for example when you don't have a reasonable caretaker manager who can hold the fort for a few months, a replacement who is available quickly is preferable. The alternative - opening negotiations with someone at a good club, doing well, and persuading them to walk out mid-season to come to a club pretty much in crisis - is problematic.
(Yes, I know it might be easier t entice a working manager if you approached one at a small or struggling club, that's not doing well - they might jump at the chance to bail out .... and, erm, they'd be the sort of manager we would want to dig us out of a hole, yeah? ;puzzled )
But anyway, those points are moot because the owners won't pay compensation.
Unlike all the other owners who, when they have sacked a manager mid-term, and results are desperately needed to avoid relegation, manage to get a sexy new manager from another club. ;hmm
Well said, Hammerwombat. I really love the guy. I just hope his successor can not only get us playing good football but also represent the club in a way that inspires the pride in (so many of) us fans that Slaven does.
I think the issue with Slav is that he lost his self-belief.
In that first season, he had a swagger about him and the team very much reflected that. He had a confident, refreshing, resilient manner and the team was very much in his image.
Since that horrendous start to last season and the Dimi situation, he seems to look like a man waiting for the chop every week. I’m not sure the players have stopped playing for him or don’t want him to turn it around, but maybe they look at him and think “are you up for this fight”, and their performances kind of reflect the managers demeanour.
If today is to be his last day, thanks for everything Slav and you have conducted yourself with intergerity and class since day one. I just think the job has got to steep for you.
That would be the Rafa who agreed to join us and then dropped us for Real, would it?
Of course, I know, anyone would, but
a) we already agreed a deal with him he decided not to honour
b) see a)
And for goodness' sake, please would those insisting the owners are too mean to pay compensation provide some evidence to support this, or stop making baseless accusations?
It’s not difficult to find evidence.
Avram Grant - unemployed Sam Allardyce - unemployed Slaven Bilic - unemployed David Moyes (?) - unemployed
How on earth is that evidence that they won't pay compensation?
It is simply evidence that they haven't.
Grey - as I can’t see into the future, I can only go off their recent record.
Their three appointments since being here have required 0 compensation. Their next one looks likely to require 0 compensation.
Until the day they do pay another club for their manager, I will stand by the view that they won’t do so, based on their records to date.
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Is it that much of a shock! ;biggrin
That would be the Rafa who agreed to join us and then dropped us for Real, would it?
Of course, I know, anyone would, but
a) we already agreed a deal with him he decided not to honour
b) see a)
And for goodness' sake, please would those insisting the owners are too mean to pay compensation provide some evidence to support this, or stop making baseless accusations?
Still wouldn't be right though.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11685/9968833/rafa-benitez-rejected-west-ham-for-real-job
Of course, there may be those who reject this simply on account of it is something Sully said, but I hardly think it likely he would be lying about something like this.
Here's a separate source: http://www.claretandhugh.info/benitez-feels-indebted-to-west-ham/
Being pedantic when the owners pay compensation for a new manager it will shut up most, if not, all the people who say they are too mean to do so. ;ok
Avram Grant - unemployed
Sam Allardyce - unemployed
Slaven Bilic - unemployed
David Moyes (?) - unemployed
They may not be the best managers but I myself do not understand why the players at this club never seem to be able to play their best football consistently and why performances in the main are awful with very little passion.
Also players that join us seem to become hopeless after a while.
Having supported this club for so long like many on here I just do not understand why no matter who is in charge, things just never seem to improve for very long.
Bilic surely wasn’t as bad a manager as our players have made him look. His Croatia team were very good and I know results have been poor but he seems a nice man and I feel quite sad for him.
What on earth is wrong at this club?
What the players need more than anything now is a man to come in that they have confidence in, that they feel can steer them to safety, when Moyes walks through the door they will know he took Sunderland down last year after 10 years in the Premiership without more than a wimper, that he was sacked from spain within a year having achieved nothing and managed to be the man to fail to secure Champions league football for Man Utd for the first time since football was invented.
Why will they feel confident in his ability to manage them and steer them away from trouble?
Club isn't going forwards at all is going to the championship in a souls bowl of a stadium.
Moyes also wants an 18 month contract rather than the six months offered by the board
It is simply evidence that they haven't.
Which doesn't of course, address the fact that if you need someone quickly after you have sacked a manager, for example when you don't have a reasonable caretaker manager who can hold the fort for a few months, a replacement who is available quickly is preferable. The alternative - opening negotiations with someone at a good club, doing well, and persuading them to walk out mid-season to come to a club pretty much in crisis - is problematic.
(Yes, I know it might be easier t entice a working manager if you approached one at a small or struggling club, that's not doing well - they might jump at the chance to bail out .... and, erm, they'd be the sort of manager we would want to dig us out of a hole, yeah? ;puzzled )
But anyway, those points are moot because the owners won't pay compensation.
Unlike all the other owners who, when they have sacked a manager mid-term, and results are desperately needed to avoid relegation, manage to get a sexy new manager from another club. ;hmm
In that first season, he had a swagger about him and the team very much reflected that. He had a confident, refreshing, resilient manner and the team was very much in his image.
Since that horrendous start to last season and the Dimi situation, he seems to look like a man waiting for the chop every week. I’m not sure the players have stopped playing for him or don’t want him to turn it around, but maybe they look at him and think “are you up for this fight”, and their performances kind of reflect the managers demeanour.
If today is to be his last day, thanks for everything Slav and you have conducted yourself with intergerity and class since day one. I just think the job has got to steep for you.
Their three appointments since being here have required 0 compensation. Their next one looks likely to require 0 compensation.
Until the day they do pay another club for their manager, I will stand by the view that they won’t do so, based on their records to date.