Slaven Bilic named as West Ham Manager (09.06.15)

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  • SwissironSwissiron
    Bilic needs to put six things right
    1. Stop being stubborn with his picks, eg playing Zaza in the desperate hope that he'll suddenly come good
    2. Bring the Noble era to an end by making Reid captain and Noble a dependable stop gap squad player
    3. Sack the ex-players on the staff - eg Julian etc who are doing nothing
    4. Play Payet central, build the team around him
    5. Give more playing time to Academy youngsters wherever possible
    6. Insist on one big experienced striker in the January window, and offload all the failing strikers
    Job done ;ok
  • alderzalderz
    I disagree with the Noble thing, and the coaches thing, and the Payet thing. Otherwise ;ok
  • brookingsironsbrookingsirons
    Sorry we doomed he's lost the dressing room too many big hitters like Ayew Payet
    Turning on him Ogbonna none of these are putting a shift in they need dropping
    and we stick by the manager or if he continues playing them we will go down .
  • LukerzLukerz
    Problem is you would expect intensity in training to be flat if there is no confidence. You won't have the lads buzzing about after 5-1, 4-1, 4-2, 3-0 stuffings. The mood will be low. It's a vicious circle. You need confidence to get that buzz back.

    I was worried earlier in the season with the whole Antonio situation. Bilic made a call that Antonio was his RB, Antonio gave up and wasn't having it after 45 mins in the first game of the season. Then Bilic backed down and said 'ok, I'll play you RW'. Just completely undermined him and showed he could be walked over.

    That's why I've been cold on Antonio ever since. Pathetic attitude after that half at Chelsea.
  • brookingsironsbrookingsirons
    If the manager comes out after the game and says we don't even train hard enough
    then we have big problems , I said months ago something seemed wrong I came on here and said I didn't think the players where fit enough , I stand by that comment we have got lazy and unfortunately the finger must point at the manger
    for allowing this to happen .
  • brookingsironsbrookingsirons
    Big Problem I see is who is out there who could turn this squad round ?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    In Bilic I trust.
  • brookingsironsbrookingsirons
    I love the guy MrsGrey but he has to drop some big names and show he's not going to be messed about by some of these players if we are to turn our season round.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    alderz said:

    I disagree with the Noble thing, and the coaches thing, and the Payet thing. Otherwise ;ok

    I agree with your disagree ;ok
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Luke, your comment about the 5-1 stuffing (among others), contrast that with Troy Deeney's comment on BBC today.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38203519

    ""When we played them (Leicester), in November, we did things a bit differently and decided to start by going at them.
    It was our first game since losing 6-1 to Liverpool, so our approach was a bit of a ploy to try to get our fans back onside straight away."
    ;hmm
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    So, we sack Slav after a poor run of results. We get someone in. They have a poor run of results (which they are almost bound to have at some point), so we sack them.

    Rinse and repeat, ad nauseum.

    Or, we don't panic, accept that football is a game of fluctuating fortunes and let Slav get on with the job he did so well last season.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Results based business these days.
  • alderzalderz
    It's always been a results based business. It's just a panic driven business now, which is ridiculous.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Well unless you can tell the future ? he has to come up with the results or faces the axe.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Yeold

    What is the guarantee that sacking Slav and getting someone else in makes things better?

    There isn't one, unless you can tell the future.
  • alderzalderz
    It's not about telling the future though, Yeold.

    This study tells us that the 6 professional clubs who haven't sacked a manager in the past 6 seasons are all in better or equal positions to where they were 6 years ago.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38014171

    This one tells us that the biggest bounce back in form comes from a manager who isn't sacked being given time to turn things around.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23724517

    This one tells us that, statistically, sacking a manager doesn't have a long term impact on form.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-management-blog/2014/feb/21/football-managers-sackings-premier-league

    So it's not about telling the future. It's about looking at the massive amounts of evidence that suggest that sacking managers does not lead to any long term benefit for the club.

    For me, Slav is a good manager, has shown that he is tactically astute, and tries to play in a way that most West Ham fans want the team to play. He's going through a sticky patch, but the evidence tells us that changing the manager now is not likely to make things better, and, in fact, NOT changing the manager is our best bet of turning things around.
  • MoojorMoojor
    If we get rid of Bilic I will probably stop watching football totally.

    I am already sick and tired of the "now now now!" attitude in football and getting rid of Bilic before he is given the time to build us to something resembling a real football is just pandering to that stupid ideal that we have to have it all now.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    alderz

    #statattack

    ;wahoo
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    SuzanneClaret said:

    alderz said:

    I disagree with the Noble thing, and the coaches thing, and the Payet thing. Otherwise ;ok

    I agree with your disagree ;ok
    I disagree to your agree to alderz disagree ;puzzled
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    Yeold

    What is the guarantee that sacking Slav and getting someone else in makes things better?

    There isn't one, unless you can tell the future.

    I cant tell the future not paid enough. But the people who do make that decision would i guess imagine that they can get someone in who can turn things around.
  • MoojorMoojor
    Yeoldhammer said:

    grey_til_I_dye said:

    Yeold

    What is the guarantee that sacking Slav and getting someone else in makes things better?

    There isn't one, unless you can tell the future.

    I cant tell the future not paid enough. But the people who do make that decision would i guess imagine that they can get someone in who can turn things around.
    But by doing that they would disprove their own ability to pick someone who is able to turn things around, because that's what Bilic was meant to do. Therefore sacking him and getting a new manager would mean that they are accepting that they only want a manager for about a season and a half and not one to build a future.

    "Oh dear," says Gold, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited December 2016
    ;lol


    (That's a lol at the funny ;ok )
  • brookingsironsbrookingsirons
    The Board could help by supplying a decent striker and right back that would help the manager keep his job .

    we just got average players in built the numbers up rather than get 3 quality players in that would play and improve the team .
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Doesn't he have a meeting with the Board every Monday.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited December 2016
    ;nonono Are you suggesting the papers might be sexing up the story?


    ;wink
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    Stick with Bilic. We've had a tough run of games. I still believe he can turn it around. ;pray
  • LukerzLukerz
    But do the players believe it?

    I believe in Slav but does he believe in himself and do the players support him? Doesn't matter what the fans think.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited December 2016
    "I am positive that we aren't going to be in this situation in one month, two months, three months. Especially not in May.
    Read more at http://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2016/december/04-december/manager-monday#zsmESGwIqw2K5Vja.99


    "Am I positive I can turn this around? Yes I am. Did I do enough last season to get some credit? I think I did.

    (That one is from his post match interview, quoted on the BBC)

    “Everyone has stood by the manager and he is a great manager.
    Read more at http://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2016/december/04-december/carroll-we-will-stick-together#bCGTAObUpEMRiOFP.99
  • ironmike44ironmike44
    Sky Breaking NOT news "West Ham have no intention of sacking manager Slaven Billic and will give him time"
    Another great scoop by the Sky News team ;clap
  • madridhammermadridhammer
    I posted something similar on the Arsenal match thread but I'm worried.
    I don't believe in knee jerk reactions & I genuinely like him & want him to turn it around but something isn't right & I think it could be inside the dressing room.I don't know,it's just a gut feeling I have.
    Once again we've been desperately unlucky with injuries & that didn't help our cause on Saturday but I still didn't expect 5-1. I'm not sure if it was Slav or the board who made those awful signings pre-season but if it was him I wouldn't blame the board for not trusting him with the money in January.
    I'm desperate for him to turn it round for all our sakes & I certainly won't be on his case if we lose at Anfield this week because last year aside,that's normal for us up there.I will be looking at the players effort though & the body language if we concede.
    I'm more concerned with the next four games after Liverpool.If we get a poor return of points from those four,& by poor I mean anything less than 6 (if I'm honest I'm being generous there) then I really think we should look at our options because at the moment this simply isn't working.
    I'm still behind him though & I'm willing him to get it right.
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