Summer Transfer Window 2023

Lukerz

This weeks ‘Paquetá’ updates:

Monday - Man City ready a bid
Tuesday - Man City ready a bid
Wednesday - Man City ready a bid

IronHerb

Lukerz said:

This weeks ‘Paquetá’ updates:

Monday - Man City ready a bid
Tuesday - Man City ready a bid
Wednesday - Man City ready a bid

When was the last time you spent £85m? 😂

Lukerz

3 years ago, actually…Football Manager.

Lukerz

ASLEFshrugged

Konstantinos Mavropanos, 25yo CB, 19 caps for Greece, 32 starts last season out of 34 he was available, missed 2 games suspended and 4 injured.

8 appearances for Arsenal 2017-18/2018-19, most notable moment was getting a straight red against Leicester after 15 minutes for trying to de-bag Iheanacho

alderz

Didn't rate him at Arsenal, but he was very young for a centre back when he was there. I don't know if he, for me, troubles the first choice pairing. If I was a betting man, I would suggest that this is a move designed to make Man Utd sweat and push the Maguire deal through.

Lukerz

So looks like we are signing him for £15m, so a budget deal which frees up an extra £15m for another area that was originally going to be spent on Maguire.

Lukerz

I’m less bothered about Paqueta. I’ve said for a while that for this club to achieve it’s potential, it needs to start selling players at a profit that can be reinvested. It’s the only way to compete unless you have endless pits of money. If we sell Paqueta for £90m that’s a fantastic bit of business, adding to the £100m sale of Rice. Ideally we’d have longer to invest it but this is how clubs outside the top 6 get better & into a position to compete over a more sustained period of time.

alderz

Lukerz said:

I’m less bothered about Paqueta. I’ve said for a while that for this club to achieve it’s potential, it needs to start selling players at a profit that can be reinvested. It’s the only way to compete unless you have endless pits of money. If we sell Paqueta for £90m that’s a fantastic bit of business, adding to the £100m sale of Rice. Ideally we’d have longer to invest it but this is how clubs outside the top 6 get better & into a position to compete over a more sustained period of time.

Whilst I agree, I do think that we shouldn't be selling our assets in one go. I think you let Paqueta go next summer for £85m, the season after hopefully someone like Kudus (if we sign him this summer) goes for £60m+. I think you need to pace these things, and not have a massive amount of turnover in one go.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

We also don't have the scouting and transfer structure in place to realise that as a model at the moment.

I hope we'll get there but in the last few years we have signed zero gems and sold them for profit. It's not like Paqueta was a brilliant piece of scouting. He was a Brazil starter and would have gone to a bigger club last year IMO, had he been available earlier in the window.

Lukerz

It doesn’t matter. Point is we signed Paqueta for £50m & if he goes this window we are likely making a £40m profit in less than a year. Doesn’t matter if he was not an unknown or brilliant bit of scouting, that was a good transfer decision (whoever sanctioned it) & leads to longer term sustainability.

Ideally you don’t lose them in one go but you have to cash in when the suitors present themselves, look at Brighton this window.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

It does matter, though, because with the current scouting network I don't have confidence we'll be able to replace him with somebody of a similar quality, even with more money. £80m players don't join us even if we have £80m to spend.

It probably matters less for Brighton or Brentford or even Villa now, but it does matter to us.

steve

For every Brighton ,there's a Southampton look where they are after selling off players for big money ,

Lukerz

Yeah it doesn’t guarantee success but logically if you don’t have endless money to pump into the club & are relying on revenue, there will always be a limit for reaching the top 6 consistently.

Bazshuayi

Lukerz said:

This weeks ‘Paquetá’ updates:

Monday - Man City ready a bid
Tuesday - Man City ready a bid
Wednesday - Man City ready a bid

Ok I'll for once praise Man City, they're pretty consistent!

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Chelsea are open to selling Lewis Hall

Very offensive minded, maybe too much so, but he's got incredible potential and he'll be cheap and one for the future

We should be all over this

But with Moyes we won't be, he's not a 30 year old English man

MrsGrey

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

Chelsea are open to selling Lewis Hall

Very offensive minded, maybe too much so, but he's got incredible potential and he'll be cheap and one for the future

£30m, is what's being reported as the asking price.

What are Chelsea smoking?

If he's able to fetch that on the open market, we can get at least that for Johnson.

Slacker

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

Chelsea are open to selling Lewis Hall

Very offensive minded, maybe too much so, but he's got incredible potential and he'll be cheap and one for the future

We should be all over this

But with Moyes we won't be, he's not a 30 year old English man

What like Alvarez and Ward -Prowse you mean, like them?

thornburyiron

They’re using every loophole possible to avoid FFP repercussions. Spreading a £90M transfer fee over a 9 year contract to amortise it at £10M each year is going to fall foul eventually especially if the receiving club wants the fee up front or over a couple of years.

IronHerb

thornburyiron said:

They’re using every loophole possible to avoid FFP repercussions. Spreading a £90M transfer fee over a 9 year contract to amortise it at £10M each year is going to fall foul eventually especially if the receiving club wants the fee up front or over a couple of years.

Wasn't that loophole blocked? Contract as long as you like but amortisation over 5 years max?

MrsGrey

Yes

thornburyiron

EUFA have but apparently the PL’s rules are somewhat less severe. Chelsea are not in any European competitions this season so probably won’t be subject to EUFA sanctions so believe they can continue as hitherto. Sales and leavers go through straight away which is why they’re shifting out as many as they can to offset the physical money they’re paying out.

Slacker

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66507341

How Chelsea are cooking the books

MrsGrey

I've just done a little edit, Slacker.

For all - if posting a link that doesn't make clear in its title what the article is about, can you just add a line to show that.

It's a courtesy thing we've always had on here - someone should be able to decide if they want to click on a link to read more, by having an idea what it's about.

It's especially an issue with BBC links.

Ta!

Slacker

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PrestonHammer

I still can't work out how Chelsea's previous owner was allowed to rack up a 2 billion pound debt and the Premier League or FA allowed them to do it.

Lukerz

ITK on KUMB says:

Paqueta - likely to stay.
Wahi - no interest.
Mavropanos - smokescreen for Maguire.
Lingard - 3 month deal possible, with option to extend to end of season.

Fortuneseeker

Paqueta - Great news but that is probably only due to Manchester City having a value for him that is lower than what we will accept.
Wahi - Who are we going to buy to replace Antonio then?
Mavropanos - I hope we aren't still after Maguire!
Lingard - Why?

I wish someone could actually bring some news of who we are going after not dispel rumours about the reported ones. Not a pop at the messenger may I point out. ok

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Palmer with a goal in the UEFA super cup alongside the goal he scored in the community shield

Wonder if they'll still let him leave after his bright start this year

Bazshuayi

I doubt they'll let Palmer go (even on loan) and he is making his TF fee rise sharply too