Summer Transfer Window 2023

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  • We should just sign Lauren James
  • Can she play right or left back though 🤔
  • We won silverware despite of our manager not because of him but that is just IMHO.

    I know it's your opinion, and you're obviously not the only person to hold it, but I find this absolutely crazy. If we're saying that the team won a European competition in spite of the manager, then Moyes should be bulletproof for our league form. You (not you specifically) can't blame Moyes for the things that don't go to your liking and not give him credit for the things that go well.
  • Yes, we may well have taken out a loan last summer which the Rice money of the next 2 years is going towards. We invested in several players on long contracts. Those players still need to contribute this season & up their games.
  • Maybe we spent all the Rice money last year 🤔

    Who knows anymore. Would it surprise me? No, to be honest. But what was their plan for this summer if that was the case?

    Maybe they thought there wouldn't be a need for much business this summer with so many players coming in last year, but there was always going to be a massive Declan Rice hole in our midfield.

    I dunno. Nothing really makes sense at the moment.
  • Our strategy and fortunes will only really change with new owners. There is a very select group of clubs who can realistically compete at the top end and they are all backed by bigger people than our current owners. The good news is we could be attractive to such an owner when Sully is free to fill his pockets and sell. We are a London club and have a good fan base so as other clubs are bought we may soon be the next most attractive.

  • alderz said:

    We won silverware despite of our manager not because of him but that is just IMHO.

    I know it's your opinion, and you're obviously not the only person to hold it, but I find this absolutely crazy. If we're saying that the team won a European competition in spite of the manager, then Moyes should be bulletproof for our league form. You (not you specifically) can't blame Moyes for the things that don't go to your liking and not give him credit for the things that go well.
    I think the argument is that because the Conference League is, generally, a much lower standard than the PL, any PL club taking it seriously should have a very good chance of winning it.

    If Moyes was sacked in November, I still think we'd have probably won it, because we were one of the strongest playing squads in the competition.
  • I always felt that, at least part of, the spending was Rice money purely because of how much it was. I think some suggested it made sense after not spending much prior to that.

    The only thing is, if it was the Rice money the why didn’t we buy a Rice replacement with it? Downes was supposedly bought in earlier than we’d wanted because of the Crystal Palace interest so he wasn’t planned as a Rice replacement with the advance spending. I would’ve got it if we’d bought Onana in but we didn’t. Also, we couldn’t have known for sure that we would get that much for Rice. Maybe the hope was cover all the other positions now and get the Rice replacement with the standard transfer money next season. But that doesn’t seem too smart when he leaves the biggest hole.
  • Our strategy and fortunes will only really change with new owners. There is a very select group of clubs who can realistically compete at the top end and they are all backed by bigger people than our current owners. The good news is we could be attractive to such an owner when Sully is free to fill his pockets and sell. We are a London club and have a good fan base so as other clubs are bought we may soon be the next most attractive.

    Agree 100%. These days it's clearly not enough to have 100 million in the bank. You need oil money to compete in the Premiership. that brings the next question for a new thread: would you accept Saudi Arabia, Qatar or another country with a dubious human rights record buying West Ham and investing billions?
  • 4 stages of being a West Ham fan
    1 Denial,
    2 Anger,
    3 Depression,
    4 Acceptance =)
  • Steve have you just come back from the positive Arms? 🍻
  • @alderz, We will have to agree to differ on David Moyes. 👍. I reckon it’s ok to apportion some blame to him IF he contributes to the problems we are experiencing.
  • Maybe we spent all the Rice money last year 🤔

    I don't think that's the case tbh, although it may be that as we spent more than usual, our pot to add to the Rice money this summer will be smaller than our usual transfer budget.

    Personally I think the main issue is a kinda stand-off between Moyes and Steidten. Moyes has always been insistent that he has the final say on transfers, and yet Steidten has been brought in to shape how we go forward as a club. At most other times the potential for conflict between the two wouldn't be quite so bad, but given we've a generational "windfall" pot of money to be spent, then things have been very much brought to a head at this moment in time.

    Even with only adding £50m as a transfer budget, if the likes of Scamacca, Vlasic, Antonio and Cresswell go we could be looking at a spend of close to £200m, but certainly it will likely be upwards of £150m; that's an awful lot of money that needs to be used towards reshaping one of, if not the, oldest squads in the PL.

    Simply allowing Moyes carte blanche to sign PL experienced players at over-inflated prices might get us through the next season or two, but it won't address the fact that the squad will be getting even older and would, in 2 or 3 or 4 years time need a huge overhaul without the benefit of much in the way of resale value and certainly without a one-off boost that we've enjoyed this summer following Rice's departure.

    The way I see it is that Moyes won't, as yet, entertain Steidten's suggestions, and Steidten won't allow Moyes to make purchases that are clearly way over-priced at this moment in time given that he has to ensure the club is looking 3, 4, 5 and more years down the line, hence the deadlock and lack of signings. I'm sure we'll see a JWP or a McTominay come in when their respective selling clubs lower their prices, but I just hope it's only one of them (and preferably not JWP or even worse, Maguire).
  • We could always make up our own transfers?

    West Ham United have signed Ivan Toney for a club record fee, signing a four-year deal with an option for a further year. “It was easy”, the banned star said, “West Ham are massive”.
  • alderz said:

    Our squad depth has been declining each year as it is but this year is something else.

    Three years ago we challenged for the top 4, two years ago we got the Europa League semi final, last season we won the Europa Conference League.

    Maybe a reducing squad depth is a good thing...
    This was without having to fit in extra matches (no European football plus fewer players representing their countries in even more matches). I wouldn’t be surprised if some of our players started previous seasons still recovering physically and mentally from the previous season
  • alderz said:

    We won silverware despite of our manager not because of him but that is just IMHO.

    I know it's your opinion, and you're obviously not the only person to hold it, but I find this absolutely crazy. If we're saying that the team won a European competition in spite of the manager, then Moyes should be bulletproof for our league form. You (not you specifically) can't blame Moyes for the things that don't go to your liking and not give him credit for the things that go well.
    I think the argument is that because the Conference League is, generally, a much lower standard than the PL, any PL club taking it seriously should have a very good chance of winning it.

    If Moyes was sacked in November, I still think we'd have probably won it, because we were one of the strongest playing squads in the competition.
    Lots of managers might not have taken it seriously, though. There were a lot of fans suggesting that the league was much more important and we should stop worrying about the Conference League. Whether we were a favourite or not, the fact that we won it means the manager gets credit for winning it, IMO.

    @alderz, We will have to agree to differ on David Moyes. 👍. I reckon it’s ok to apportion some blame to him IF he contributes to the problems we are experiencing.

    I didn't say it's not ok to apportion blame to him. I said it seems wholly unfair to blame him for things and not praise him for the things that have gone well. The idea that he doesn't get credit for being the first manager in 40 odd years to win something is mad, to me.

    Also, for what it's worth, I'm really not a great fan of David Moyes. I don't like the style of play, I find it quite un-enjoyable to watch West Ham play under him. But it seems to me that some people want to blame him for the poor league form, blame him for transfer dealings (despite the army of senior people that also seem to be involved in this), and not give him credit for winning a competition.
  • @alderz, 👍. Understood.
  • Lukerz said:

    We could always make up our own transfers?

    West Ham United have signed Ivan Toney for a club record fee, signing a four-year deal with an option for a further year. “It was easy”, the banned star said, “West Ham are massive”.

    Perz Mertersackerz 🤔
  • All comes from the very top for me. Can't stand Sullivan I think he's a parasite.
  • @Hamstew, When is he allowed to sell up and walk away without any penalties?
  • Our strategy and fortunes will only really change with new owners.

    Only if the new owners are in that ultra-rich category.

  • @Hamstew, When is he allowed to sell up and walk away without any penalties?

    Thought he was able to now
  • @Hamstew, So Christmas can come early this year then. 🤞
  • I think the consensus was that it was March 23.

    Some have said that Gold's death, and the fact that his estate is in probate, has muddied the waters in that respect as his family still obviously have an input into the future of the club.

    One of the (supposed) ITKs over on KUMB has said that this is Sullivan's last season in charge, but obviously worth taking that with a pinch of salt. But if it's true, and if both he and Moyes are gone by this time next year, it could explain why there seems to be such a lack of urgency (and interest?) at the top.
  • edited August 2023

    @Hamstew, When is he allowed to sell up and walk away without any penalties?

    He can now, the clause expired during last season (about March time I think).

    There's already the agreement with Kretinsky to buy both Sullivan's and Gold's shares, but that may be complicated by probate atm (although I'm sure the buyout agreement factored that possibility in, Kretinsky doesn't come across as someone who leaves things to chance).
  • Hamstew said:

    All comes from the very top for me. Can't stand Sullivan I think he's a parasite.

    If you think back to when Gold and Sullivan took over and the state that the club was in to call Sullivan a parasite is very harsh. The owners have spent very boldly for their wealth. They got Bilic which is what a lot of people wanted, moved him on when it went wrong, tried a PL winning manager and backed him with transfers, we stopped being a selling club. They probably made the right decision appointing Moyes to keep us up and we have averaged 9th place over the past three years and won our first trophy for years. Add to that the move, which was in the face of wide opposition, but the Boleyn ground could not be developed and IMO they did the right thing, far more people can go to games now. I like that we have “private owners” that had a real connection with the club rather than a State or some American or far Eastern owner that is only interested in money or their status of owning a football club. I'm sure it will change soon, but for the better, who knows.
  • Nope I'm sticking with parasite. Just my opinion
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