Summer Transfer Window 2023

Slacker

BerlinHammer said:

So we have to be positive because we're not leeds? Ok...

Not really, I think the point is that things are not quite as bad as some continue to say.

Lukerz

I don’t get the tears over Scamacca. The guy has done nothing here yet gets lauded as some sort of world class striker. You then compare it to the likes of Cresswell, Moyes etc who have done lots for this club, who often get slandered (not talking about on here). Odd.

We have Antonio, Ings, Cornet & Mubama. We can afford to let him go if he doesn’t want to be here. Doesn‘t change the fact we still need to sort our midfield.

Lukerz

Moyes wanted Broja. Newman wanted Scamacca. Wonder who would’ve been right?

Lukerz

Fans on Twitter bemoaning our £25m bid for JWP. What’s wrong with that? I’d say that was about right. They are in the Champ & won’t get their full value based on that alone. Hold your nerve.

OldCastleSwift

Lukerz said:

I don’t get the tears over Scamacca. The guy has done nothing here yet gets lauded as some sort of world class striker. You then compare it to the likes of Cresswell, Moyes etc who have done lots for this club, who often get slandered (not talking about on here). Odd.

We have Antonio, Ings, Cornet & Mubama. We can afford to let him go if he doesn’t want to be here.

It's not about Scamacca the player. It's about the strategy. I have no issue with him going; I think he's a talented player but we don't play to his strengths and, from what I've read elsewhere, he's not happy living in London.

It's about replacing him. I don't know how we can spend £35m on a player and then decide a year later that we don't need to replace him.

And the players you've listed; Antonio is on the decline and is rumoured to also want out. Ings isn't an effective lone striker, which is what we're likely to see again this season. According to Transfermarkt, Cornet has only played 32 of 232 games as a striker so hardly his primary position, and Mubama is a complete unknown at PL level. We have the numbers, but do we have the necessary quality and balance to have a good season?

BerlinHammer

Slacker said:

BerlinHammer said:

So we have to be positive because we're not leeds? Ok...

Not really, I think the point is that things are not quite as bad as some continue to say.

Thats your opinion... i think we have our right to be concerned about our season and lack of transfer dealings. Happy for you to be positive but we are allowed to have our concerns

BerlinHammer

How many top strikers are out there these days? Man U are spending big money on a striker that scored 9 goals last season

Ravel49

Any chance you can run the club OCS?

OutcastLondoner

I really don't understand selling Scamacca for about a third less than we bought him for. His season might have been underwhelming, largely due to injury absences, but it wasn't terrible and he showed some great signs of ability. There's no reason he should have devalued so much. I don't have any strong feelings about whether he stays or goes in general but I'm baffled by the idea of taking a big loss on him.

Fortuneseeker

@OCS, We can solve two of those problems in one change in tactics play Scamacca and Ings up front.

@ASLEF, Who was the right manager for the mess we were in at the time doesn't automatically mean he is now the current one to take us further due to him appearing to be unable to take on anyone else's opinion that differs to his. Mark Warburton has said as much recently and it's being reported that Tim Steidten is struggling to get his views heard.

Slacker

BerlinHammer said:

Slacker said:

BerlinHammer said:

So we have to be positive because we're not leeds? Ok...

Not really, I think the point is that things are not quite as bad as some continue to say.

Thats your opinion... i think we have our right to be concerned about our season and lack of transfer dealings. Happy for you to be positive but we are allowed to have our concerns

Er, I don’t think I said you didn’t have the right did I?🤷🏻‍♂️

welovethehammers

We played Scamacca in almost every pre season match, only to likely sell him before the season starts.

Plus, it looks like we are selling him for a lot less than what he’s worth.

welovethehammers

OldCastleSwift said:

Lukerz said:

I don’t get the tears over Scamacca. The guy has done nothing here yet gets lauded as some sort of world class striker. You then compare it to the likes of Cresswell, Moyes etc who have done lots for this club, who often get slandered (not talking about on here). Odd.

We have Antonio, Ings, Cornet & Mubama. We can afford to let him go if he doesn’t want to be here.

It's not about Scamacca the player. It's about the strategy. I have no issue with him going; I think he's a talented player but we don't play to his strengths and, from what I've read elsewhere, he's not happy living in London.

It's about replacing him. I don't know how we can spend £35m on a player and then decide a year later that we don't need to replace him.

And the players you've listed; Antonio is on the decline and is rumoured to also want out. Ings isn't an effective lone striker, which is what we're likely to see again this season. According to Transfermarkt, Cornet has only played 32 of 232 games as a striker so hardly his primary position, and Mubama is a complete unknown at PL level. We have the numbers, but do we have the necessary quality and balance to have a good season?

Also, Cornet was off the boil at the end of last season. I liked him at Burnley and in his first few matches for us before the injury but who knows which Cornet will turn up next season. So we’ve got an a declining Antonio who doesn’t seem to want to be here, a raw Mubama, an out of position and risky option in Cornet, and an ineffective lone striker in Ings.

Our squad depth has been declining each year as it is but this year is something else.

Lukerz

Fabianski
Kehrer - Zouma - Aguerd
Coufal - Soucek - Paqueta - Emerson
Fornals
Bowen - Ings

For Ings to work, or…

Fabianski
Coufal - Zouma - Aguerd - Emerson
Soucek - Paqueta
Bowen - Fornals - Benrahma
Antonio/Cornet/Mubama

Assuming Scamacca is inevitably sold & we sign nobody (which we won’t).

ASLEFshrugged

Before we all panic there is still hope!

Teamtalk claim that Sean Dyche is keen on signing Harry Maguire

Lukerz

We have to make it work. We have players who we have signed & pay big wages to. Until the day comes they are sold, we have to find ways for them to work.

alderz

welovethehammers said:

Our squad depth has been declining each year as it is but this year is something else.

Three years ago we challenged for the top 4, two years ago we got the Europa League semi final, last season we won the Europa Conference League.

Maybe a reducing squad depth is a good thing...

Fortuneseeker

@alderz, Doesn't a smaller squad allow David Moyes to run it into the ground even quicker than in previous seasons?

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Fortuneseeker said:

@alderz, Doesn't a smaller squad allow David Moyes to run it into the ground even quicker than in previous seasons?

Run it into the ground on the way to winning our first silverware in 43 years?

steve

Where is this Borges kid from city .By the time we get him he will be 30 years old .No honest where is he

alderz

He played for one of the Portugal youth teams in mid-July, and every player is entitled to 2-3 weeks holiday. The rumour is that he is still on holiday, will be back to City early next week, and at that point he'll be signing for us.

OldCastleSwift

Lukerz said:

We have to make it work. We have players who we have signed & pay big wages to. Until the day comes they are sold, we have to find ways for them to work.

But up front we fundamentally haven't. Haller was effective in a front two with Jovic at Frankfurt, but we signed him and played him up front on his own.

Scamacca worked will in a three at Sassuolo, but we signed him and played him up front on his own.

Ings works best in a front two (with Watkins at Villa, Vokes at Burnley, Adams at Southampton) but we signed him and played him up front on his own.

Moyes has experimented with two up front during pre-season, but against Rennes it was back to his usual 4-2-3-1, and it's looking likely that we'll go into the new season with that formation. The only striker we have that has proven he can play that role is Antonio, who is 33, on the decline and is rumoured to want to leave.

Fortuneseeker

@steve, He is on holiday as he has played for Portugal Under 19's recently.

@Jorderz, We won silverware despite of our manager not because of him but that is just IMHO.

Hamstew

Still nothing then. Not even a sniff.

OldCastleSwift

Hamstew said:

Still nothing then. Not even a sniff.

Alex Crook at TalkSport is now reporting that Paqueta's unhappy, so there's that.

OldCastleSwift

OldCastleSwift said:

Hamstew said:

Still nothing then. Not even a sniff.

Alex Crook at TalkSport is now reporting that Paqueta's unhappy, so there's that.

Denied by the man himself.

Noice.

Ravel49

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1686347886525562880

BerlinHammer

Maybe we spent all the Rice money last year 🤔

Ravel49

It’s beginning to look like it

secrethammersfan

BerlinHammer said:

Maybe we spent all the Rice money last year 🤔

1. I think this is true. Last summer's spending was very un-West Ham.
2. I think that, if Moyes spent the Rice money last summer, and brought in a lot of first-team players who, to be fair, didn't really have a chance to gel, thanks to injury and, yes, to Moyes' softly-softly approach to induction. However, now they're finally ready to start a new season, is it really wise to bring in a new manager who e.g. may decide they don't like Ings, or prefer Mubama as a left back, and have a huge fight with Paquetá, who hands in a transfer notice. (Disharmony is not guaranteed, of course, but a change in strategy is.)