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As I said I haven't heard anything from Moyes that suggests he's ready to throw in the towel
Don't agree with your comment 'rubbish he's had to endure'...
Everyone is entitled to share a thought or opinion, most West Ham fans would agree he's done well for the club, but many might feel he's perhaps done as much as he's capable of and it's in everyones best interest for him to move on.
If 'the rubbish he's had to endure' comment you are talking about the 'Moyes out' banner, or some fans venting their opinions at the ground or online or journalists saying what they believe, if that has then affected him ( which I thick he's thick skinned enough to not let it ) he shouldn't then be in football management IMO.
It comes with the job, praise when it's due and some stick when he's not doing a good job....
He's hardly had 'rubbish to endure' with IMO.
He's been well treated by our chairman, been given hefty funds in the transfer market ( much more than ever before ) and couldn't have asked for anymore from the club, he's got everything he's wanted IMO.
There’s being thick skinned and then there’s being a human being.
Then again, do you really think Moyes has read them....Come on, think your'e kidding yourself a bit here......
I don't agree with a lot of what's said about him but I'd be surprised if enough of it is reaching him to actually impact how he feels about carrying on.
My point earlier was that maybe the board will think it’s best for all concerned to pay him off, nothing more.
I think what I mean is if we just put the players on the pitch in their best positions and said go out and give it your best I somehow think they would be better at present.
It's sort of the Noble caretaker idea in that you don't expect him to manage especially but to motivate and bring the players together and just trust in the great ability they have to produce something. It's not a long term plan obviously but It may be better than Moyes instructing them.
Shearer did a "Brooking" for the last eight games of 2008-09 when Roy Kinnear had to have heart surgery. Newcastle were 18th when he took over and it probably didn't help that he was announced as interim manager on 1st April
Noble has had four months as sporting director or whatever
IMO it's his fault mainly that I'm getting angry about other teams results.
He, with what he has has at his disposal should not have got us in this position...
I mean, getting angry that Spurs lost in the final moment is not on, and Moyes, that's down to you...just IMO of course......
In the past we appointed Pellegrini because of his success and Manchester City and Avram Grant because of his success at Chelsea, but both appointment turned ut to be disastrous. Both were used to a 'no money no object' environment and failed at West Ham. Managers can succeed in some environments but not in others.
So the task is to find a manger that fits the environment, and deliver that little bit extra. Even that can be precarious. Leicester won the EPL with Claudio Ranieri in 2016, but soon he got the sack. John Lyall took WHU to the third spot in the old First Division in 1986, but sacked in 1989 as the owners sold key players. Graham Potter did well at Brighton but could not do the same at Chelsea.
So my questions are how do the owners/fans decide who is a suitable replacement for Moyes. What track record and attributes are needed. What is their analysis of environment?
For a start I suspect what the owners want as priorities (e.g. stability, frugality) would be quite different to what the fans want (good football and trophies).
As you've stated - and as we've seen - past success is not a guarantee of future success, so I don't think either would be be too concerned about that. Premier League experience would probably be towards the top of the board's list of conditions, but let's be honest, it's a bit of a lottery; under different circumstances a manager can be viewed as either brilliant or useless (see Potter).
Personally, and I know it's a bit of a running joke, but I wouldn't be against Carrick. It would be a risk, but he knows the club so will have an idea of what the fans are about and what they want to see, he's played at the highest level for most of his career, has worked under Ferguson and Mourinho - two of the most successful managers in the game - and has also got Boro playing a very exciting brand of football which I think would appeal to West Ham fans.
Obviously none of that means he'd be a success with us. Lampard ticks similar boxes and look at his managerial record. But I think more than anything I want a younger manager with a different approach to what we've seen under the more experienced managers of Moyes, Pellegrini and Allardyce. I really liked the direction we were going under Bilic, where we had Payet, Valencia, Sakho and Song, but then Payet broke him and it all unravelled.
IF Moyes does go Potter would tick the boxes for me.
Whichever way it’s a punt .
Despite current form, I think we are still a bigger club than Brighton (although they seem to be doing an awful lot right in terms of how to run a club) so I think we would have represented a more natural step up for Potter. I'd be more than happy to take him in the summer, and would represent less of a risk for the board.
In October last year, Four Four Two published a list of the 50 best managers in the world. Between them, they have been sacked 71 times, and 31 of them have been sacked at some point, and several of those who hadn't been sacked resigned after relegation or failure to achieve their goals (Eddie Howe, anyone?), or jumped before being pushed (Diego Simeone at San Lorenzo).
On their list was a certain David Moyes, who failed and was sacked by both Manchester United and Real Socieded, and quit Sunderland after failing to keep them up.
My point being that it doesn't really matter if a manager has failed elsewhere. The likelihood is that every manager we ever appoint will be successful for a while, and then not successful, and then they get sacked.
Plus I believe it would give him more time. A lot of people were against Moyes from the day he was announced - both times, actually - whereas I think Carrick would be given more of a grace period, which again can only be a good thing.
But putting his West Ham connections aside, I still think he's an exciting candidate because the turnaround at Boro has been exceptional and he was a very intelligent player and it looks like that has transferred into his coaching.
My current position on Moyes is that he should stay for the season, and if we finish the season strongly (i.e. playing how we did against Arsenal) then I'd like him to stay next year and see if he can get back to where we were. If we end the season poorly then I'd like for us to shake hands and say goodbye in the summer.
If we were to be looking to appoint a new manager in the summer, my shortlist would be Graham Potter, Michael Carrick , Giovanni van Bronckhurst, Lucien Favre, Patrick Vieira and Oliver Glasner. All of those guys look to play attacking football, and none of them feel out of our league (though Favre and Glasner might see Nice and Frankfurt as better propositions).
Giovanni van Bronckhurst is an interesting suggestion
Lucien Favre was sacked by Nice in January
Oliver Glasner has another year on his contract and Frankfurt do have a chance of European football next season
Patrick Vieira's attacking football wasn't a great success at Palace...
Wasn't Parker in a similar situation last season?
I'd say its a bit early to judge whether he's good enough to manage a Premier League side