Transfer Speculation (1st June onwards)

Lukerz

His agent is his dad

This is not some rogue advisor

OldCastleSwift

So what's happening here? If the article is a lie then has the author not potentially opened themselves up for a lawsuit? Bit risky for a bit of football gossip.

Which suggests it may be true. And if it's true, where's it come from? The agent? Unlikely as there's nothing in it for him for it to be out in the public. Sullivan? Well, this news being leaked could certainly play into the narrative of 'we tried to keep him' if they have decided to cash in if an offer's received.

Just seems odd that the offer was supposedly made four months ago but is only being reported now, by one of Sullivan's trusted outlets, when some fans are getting vocal about the lack of transfer activity and questions about the owner's financial situation.

Distraction? Laying the foundations of a sale? Just something not quite right.

Fortuneseeker

I refer back to my comment @ 10.41 Matt Law said he knew something which he wouldn't divulge but said it would be written about sooner than later, is this it? Increase his salary to a decent amount, he stays with us at least until next summer when there will be a vacancy at the Eithad or CFC pay what we will accept for him and he goes back to where he wants to be with his mate Mason?

whupathman

buy Mason Mount job done :P

IronHerb

Lukerz said:

His agent is his dad

This is not some rogue advisor

Arnie's agent is his brother!

Bazshuayi

and Bob's your uncle

OutcastLondoner

I’m not sure the wage situation is just about Pellegrini. Yes he has left the club in a bad decision because of the transfer policy but as far as I’m aware the lack of scouting was happening before him as well - though Moyes had wanted that changed in his first stint.

We’ve been making bad choices with our big buys for a while now, spending money on a name without working out whether they’ll fit with us. Hernandez was the biggest example. Ayew was another. These signings almost always flop.

ASLEFshrugged

claretandbluesky said:

I know he is not without ability but what did Yarmalenko ever do to warrant that kind of wage? At least Hernandez had played at the top level.

Before he joined us Yarmo played one season with Borussia Dortmund although he was injured for 2 months (no surprise), 6 goals in 26 appearances with one against Spurs in the Champions League.

Before that he had 10 and a bit seasons at Dinamo Kiev, 340 appearances in all competitions and 137 goals

ASLEFshrugged

The biggest transfers so far with transfer fees (or at best the rumoured fee)

Jadon Sancho 21 RW £78m Borrusia Dortmund to Man U
Emiliano Buendia 24 RW £38m Norwich to Aston Villa
Ibrahim Konate 22 CB £36m RB Leipzig to Liverpool
Patson Daka 22 CF £23m RB Salzburg to Leicester
Nathan Collins 20 CB £12m Stoke to Burnley

Milot Rashica 25 LW £10m Werder Bremen to Norwich
Imran Louza 22 CM £8.6m Nantes to Watford
Ben Gibson 28 CB £8m Burnley to Norwich
Dimitris Giannoulis 25 LB £6m PAOK to Norwich
Angus Gunn 25 GK £5m Southampton to Norwich

Yerson Mosquera 20 CB £4.5m Atletico Nacional to Wolves
Emmanuel Dennis 23 CF £3.6m Club Brugge to Watford
Craig Dawson 31 CB £2m Watford to West Ham

Other than that it seems to be kids plus some notable frees, Theo Walcott to Southampton, Ashley Fletcher and Danny Rose to Watford

alderz

Angus Gunn for £5m is good business, imo

Ravel49

OldCastleSwift said:

MrsGrey said:

Don't get me wrong, I love him and hope he stays. But anybody buying him is buying potential, really.

I think they'd be buying the best English DM in the world right now, personally.

I Kante believe this

OldCastleSwift

Diamantis_Are_Forever said:

OldCastleSwift said:

MrsGrey said:

Don't get me wrong, I love him and hope he stays. But anybody buying him is buying potential, really.

I think they'd be buying the best English DM in the world right now, personally.

I Kante believe this

Kanté n'est pas anglais, mon frère

PrestonHammer

Bain Marie, petit de journais monche tu monche tu.

Ravel49

OldCastleSwift said:

Diamantis_Are_Forever said:

OldCastleSwift said:

MrsGrey said:

Don't get me wrong, I love him and hope he stays. But anybody buying him is buying potential, really.

I think they'd be buying the best English DM in the world right now, personally.

I Kante believe this

Kanté n'est pas anglais, mon frère

🤦‍♂️Must . Read. Posts. Properly.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

ExWHU reporting that the offers that Deccers turned down were "a few months ago"

So it's old news that's only coming to light now

OldCastleSwift

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

ExWHU reporting that the offers that Deccers turned down were "a few months ago"

So it's old news that's only coming to light now

So it happened before the season ticket renewal deadline but didn't come out until afterwards? A cynic might argue that this isn't a coincidence.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

OldCastleSwift said:

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

ExWHU reporting that the offers that Deccers turned down were "a few months ago"

So it's old news that's only coming to light now

So it happened before the season ticket renewal deadline but didn't come out until afterwards? A cynic might argue that this isn't a coincidence.

Or it just isn't very big news, considering he has 4 years left on his contract anyway.

OldCastleSwift

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

OldCastleSwift said:

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

ExWHU reporting that the offers that Deccers turned down were "a few months ago"

So it's old news that's only coming to light now

So it happened before the season ticket renewal deadline but didn't come out until afterwards? A cynic might argue that this isn't a coincidence.

Or it just isn't very big news, considering he has 4 years left on his contract anyway.

Feels like it's big news given it's been all over West Ham social media since it broke.

My point is, fans were rightly buoyed after last season and I suspect season ticket renewals were positively affected by it. Had fans known that the club are struggling to get their main man to sign a new deal, perhaps that would have killed some of the positivity around the club.

I know Rice has four years left, but if he doesn't feel valued by the owners, he's more likely to be open to a move. Let's not kid ourselves here, players and their agents have more power than owners; if Rice feels like he'd get what he believes he's worth and top level football elsewhere, his agent will be making some calls.

Yeoldhammer

The womens team is literally being dismantled, i dont know why we are continuing running it, every first team player of any talent is literally being sold. GSB need to get out this club.

MrsGrey

OldCastleSwift said:

So it happened before the season ticket renewal deadline but didn't come out until afterwards? A cynic might argue that this isn't a coincidence.

What would they argue? Conspiracy?

Between the club, the player, the agent and all the journalists?

Fortuneseeker

All this Rice talk, we still haven’t signed anybody & another player has left the Women’s team. They started last season with 25 registered at the moment they have just 14!

Pearces_Left_Foot

No one knows if Rice feels valued apart from Rice himself to be fair he was given a chance after rejection at Chelsea got first team football, been made captain and got into the England team at West Ham if we had made him an offer that would make him the clubs top earner and he wants more there is not a lot else the club can do IMO. I think we all know he will go on to bigger things at some point as we can't offer him elite level football regularly challenging for trophies champions league etc. We might get one more season at most then I think he will get his move but it has to right for West Ham and not just for him and his agent.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

OldCastleSwift said:

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

OldCastleSwift said:

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

ExWHU reporting that the offers that Deccers turned down were "a few months ago"

So it's old news that's only coming to light now

So it happened before the season ticket renewal deadline but didn't come out until afterwards? A cynic might argue that this isn't a coincidence.

Or it just isn't very big news, considering he has 4 years left on his contract anyway.

Feels like it's big news given it's been all over West Ham social media since it broke.

But it's big news because people are under the impression it's happening right now, and he's playing well for England, and it's transfer window time.

I don't personally see it as a big deal that they haven't yet been able to agree an improved contract, particularly when the contract has plenty of years to run.

I'd be surprised if Rice actually ever signed another West Ham contract, to be honest. I always thought this season might be his last, or the season after that at very best.

OldCastleSwift

Yeoldhammer said:

The womens team is literally being dismantled, i dont know why we are continuing running it, every first team player of any talent is literally being sold. GSB need to get out this club.

Is there a different funding stream for the women's team? I know since Jack left there has been a lot of player movement, mostly out, but I don't know if the two things are related. Now that he's gone, has the Sullivan money gone too?

It reminds me a bit of what happened at Portsmouth a good few years back. Threw money at trying to get amongst the big boys by signing the likes of Lass Diarra, Defoe, Crouch etc. but it caught up with them very quickly and then there was a mass exodus in a desperate attempt to balance the books.

Fortuneseeker

Yeold, nice to see it’s not only me concerned about the way the Women’s team is being run. There is something definitely going on maybe that is why Matt Beard left as he was told it was going to asset stripped?

Lukerz

Surely everybody must be as relaxed as possible at this situation, in terms of an inevitable departure from the club.

The club must be relaxed as Rice has at least 3 years left on his current deal. The club know that he will go within that time (we all do) & they also know it will be for a pretty reasonable penny. The only question is do you cash in now (probably Rice’s pinnacle value given the Euros) or do you wait another year & maybe get less. Either way, he is under contract for another 3 years, we either get a load of money or we retain our best player.

Rice must be relaxed as he knows he’s only 22, he knows (worse case) he’ll be a freebie by 25, still 10 years left in him. He also knows he is at a club where he is comfortable (having just finished in the top 6), has a great bond with the fans, has European football this season as a minimum &, all the while, none of that has stopped him being one of the first names on the team sheet for his national side. Not a bad position to be in. He also knows there are going to be lots of clubs after him & he’ll have the pick of any of the top teams, whether that be now or next year or the year after. He’s not 28 & coming to the end of his career like Kane, his last big contract. He’s got time on his side. There would be no need for him to sign a new contract with us as I am sure he anticipates moving on before the end of his current deal, as do we & as do the club. The only motivation to sign a new deal with us is for a pay increase.

The fans must be relaxed as they know Rice is going to go at some point, they know it will be for good money but also know he will probably give his all in the mean time for the club & not throw his toys out the pram.

I don’t see the club selling him this summer. I don’t think there will be much business done by us & so to compensate I think they will keep Rice but I fully expect him to go next summer, when the COVID situation has resolved itself & clubs like City need a CM more urgently.

Pearces_Left_Foot

The Womens team signed a new striker yesterday so its not all outs ,I think it might be bearing the brunt of the COVID implications on the clubs finances unfortunately

Lukerz

Pearces_Left_Foot said:

The Womens team signed a new striker yesterday so its not all outs ,I think it might be bearing the brunt of the COVID implications on the clubs finances unfortunately

Yeah I saw it as maybe a few of the higher earners are out and the replacements are on considerably lower salaries. The end of the day, the team is in the bottom 3 teams in the league and that was with all the players that have left.

OldCastleSwift

MrsGrey said:

OldCastleSwift said:

So it happened before the season ticket renewal deadline but didn't come out until afterwards? A cynic might argue that this isn't a coincidence.

What would they argue? Conspiracy?

Between the club, the player, the agent and all the journalists?

They could argue that the 'bad' news of Rice not wanting to sign a new contract wasn't made public at a time when they wanted maximum positivity to get as much money from season ticket renewals as they possibly could.

They could also argue that the news was made public to possibly villainize Rice and his agent to soften the criticism they'd get for selling him.

I suppose it depends on how cynical you are and how much you trust Sullivan. Personally, I can see him low-balling Rice and hoping that it forces a move.

But of course I'm hoping it's all something of nothing.

Fortuneseeker

PLF, I saw they had signed a new striker just another 8/10 players to go to bring the squad up to a manageable level based on last season’s number.