The Big Europa League Adventure

Fortuneseeker

c&bsky, If that is the case then we can afford to draw at home to Zagreb and we will win the group BUT there is a long way to go yet.

Looking at our fixtures I see we are scheduled to play three games in 6 days at the end of November, Thursday, Sunday & Tuesday, but Leicester and Tottenham have a extra day & don't play their third fixture until the Wednesday night! Surely won't the Watford match be moved as the whole of the set of midweek games are on Amazon?

IronHerb

We are a very good team. 😁

IronHerb

claretandbluesky said:

Does anyone know how the group stage winners are decided in the case of level points?

Would it be goal difference and then goals scored and then head to head result between the teams or would head to head be considered first?

Too early to say but I can see both ourselves and Zegreb doing the double against the other two. It's so important to win the group or you could end up with not just two extra games to play but that game being against a very good team.

16.01
If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following criteria are applied in the order given to determine their rankings:

a) higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question;
b) superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question;
c) higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question;
if, after having applied criteria a) to c), teams still have an equal ranking, criteria a) to c) are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the remaining teams to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria e) to k) apply in the order given to the two or more teams still equal;
e) superior goal difference in all group matches;
f) higher number of goals scored in all group matches;
g) higher number of away goals scored in all group matches;
h) higher number of wins in all group matches;
i) higher number of away wins in all group matches;
j) lower disciplinary points total based only on yellow and red cards received by players and team officials in all group matches (red card = 3 points, yellow card = 1 point, expulsion for two yellow cards in one match = 3 points);
l) higher club coefficient (see Annex D).

Well you did ask. 😂

ASLEFshrugged

If two or more teams finish on equal points the places are decided by the following...

1) points head-to-head i.e. we've got 3 pts, Zagreb 0pts, they'd need to beat us next time
2) goal difference in games played between the two teams
3) goals scored in games played between the two teams.
4) away goals scored in games played between the two teams
5) goal difference overall
6) goals scored overall
7) away goals scored overall
8) most wins overall
9) higher number of away wins overall
10) lowest number of disciplinary points overall
11) UEFA club co-efficient

Fortuneseeker

Let's just make it really easy for UEFA & win the group.

ASLEFshrugged

We are currently the only team in Group H to have won at home

FlorinRaduclious

I missed commenting on the Zagrab and Vienna matches, but I've been so impressed by how Moyes and his team are negotiating this so far. Resting some players, yet still showing repect and fielding teams to win. So tough at the mo, with so many games in a short space, and our relatively small squad. Both matches I thought were good performances by us.

Qualifying for Europe was such a success for us, so not treating it seriously would have been a real kick in the teeth, but also going the opposite way and it resultantly causing our league form to heavily suffer would also be a real shame.

Super congrats so far to the management team and the players. I hope we can continue in the same vein, give matches to the squad, and finish top of the group!

IronHerb

This seasons Europa Prize Money: -

Qualified to group stage: €3,630,000 ✅
Match won in group stage: €630,000 x 3 ✅
Match drawn in group stage: €210,000
1st in group stage: €1,100,000
2nd in group stage: €550,000
Knockout round play-offs: €500,000
Round of 16: €1,200,000
Quarter-final: €1,800,000
Semi-final: €2,800,000
Runner-up: €4,600,000
Champion: €8,600,000

Coefficient Ranking payment: €1,056,000 ✅
Market Pool** (Group Stage) €2,092,500 ✅

Running total earned after Rapid Vienna (H): €8,668,500 😎

**Market Pool worth €139,500,00. Split into 2 parts: -

Part 1 - €69,750,000 divided across number of associations represented in Group Stage (20). England receives €3,487,500 split 60%/40% to Cup Winner/2nd team so West Ham receive €1,395,000.

Part 2 - €69,750,000 divided across the number of rounds (Group Stage - 40%, Round of 16 - 20%, Quarters - 13%, Semis - 8%, Final - 4%). The money is divided by the number of associations represented in each round. For the Group Stage England receives €1,395,000 that is equally split across their representatives so West Ham receive €697,500.

Plus home attendances of 50,004 and 45,980 less £50,000 fine for Rapid Vienna issues.

claretandbluesky

Apparently if Spurs win the Europa conference (unlikely I know) they get a round of applause from UEFA officials and VIP tickets for the whole team to the Champions league final, Where they get the chance to take penalties against a celebrity goal keeper during half time and an opportunity to have their photos taken with the players.

steve

FlorinRaduclious

Thanks for finding that info and organising it for us @IronHerb - superb.

Really interesting to see the full breakdown of reward money for being in / progression in Europa. Plus on top as you say the extra money from bums on seats at the extra home games.

All this potential extra funds, plus of course providing extra games to enable us to keep a larger squad happy; if we can keep getting regular europe qualification it will make such a difference to our side going forward.

claretandbluesky

I think also the perception of being a team on the up really helps with recruitment, I can't imagine Zouma would now be playing for us had we finished 15th last season. Should we enter the transfer market in January we may be able to attract a decent striker.

claretandbluesky

Just looking through the tables of all three European competitions now everyone has played three games, Only Bayern Munich and Ajax have made better starts to their campaigns than ourselves.

thornburyiron

And Ajax have an ex Hammer to thank for that.

ASLEFshrugged

Luck of the draw

I think we were very fortunate to draw Dinamo Zagreb from Pot 1 rather than Lyon, Napoli or Bayer Leverkusen who I suspect would have been much tougher opponents.

Pot 2 we got Genk rather than Eintracht Frankfurt, PSV or Lokomotiv Moscow while Pot 3 Galatasary or Legia Warsaw would have been more of a challenge than Rapid Vienna.

Group C, Leicester, Legia, Napoli and Spartak Moscow is close, 3pts between 1st and 4th.

IronHerb

This seasons Europa Prize Money after Genk (A): -

Qualified to group stage: €3,630,000 ✅
Match won in group stage: €630,000 x 3 ✅
Match drawn in group stage: €210,000 x 1 ✅
Group Draw Pot: €57,273 ✅*
1st in group stage: €1,100,000
2nd in group stage: €550,000
Knockout round play-offs: €500,000
Round of 16: €1,200,000
Quarter-final: €1,800,000
Semi-final: €2,800,000
Runner-up: €4,600,000
Champion: €8,600,000

Coefficient Ranking payment: €1,056,000 ✅
Market Pool** (Group Stage) €2,092,500 ✅

Running total earned after Genk (A): €8,935,773 😎

✅* - When a match is drawn the 'Match Pot' of  €630,000 is split 3 ways.       
 €210,000 to each club with the remaining €210,000 going into a 'Group Draw Pot,'
At the end of the Group Stage the money in the 'Group Draw Pot' is divided by the total number of wins in the group and this figure is multiplied by the number of wins each team achieve. So at this stage in Group H there have been 7 wins and 1 draw. So as it stands €210,000 / 7 wins = €30,000 x our 3 wins = €90,000. If the remaining 4 games in the Group are not draws we will receive a minimum of €57,273.

**Market Pool worth €139,500,00. Split into 2 parts: -

Part 1 - €69,750,000 divided across number of associations represented in Group Stage (20). England receives €3,487,500 split 60%/40% to Cup Winner/2nd team so West Ham receive €1,395,000.

Part 2 - €69,750,000 divided across the number of rounds (Group Stage - 40%, Round of 16 - 20%, Quarters - 13%, Semis - 8%, Final - 4%). The money is divided by the number of associations represented in each round. For the Group Stage England receives €1,395,000 that is equally split across their representatives so West Ham receive €697,500.

Plus home attendances of 50,004 and 45,980 less £50,000 fine for Rapid Vienna issues.

claretandbluesky

What an unnecessary complication that match pot for a draw is, surely much easier to split the £630k equally to £315k each.

IronHerb

his seasons Europa Prize Money after Rapid Vienna (A): -

Qualified to group stage: €3,630,000 ✅
Match won in group stage: €630,000 x 4 ✅
Match drawn in group stage: €210,000 x 1 ✅
Group Draw Pot: €57,273 ✅*
1st in group stage: €1,100,000✅
Knockout round play-offs: €500,000
Round of 16: €1,200,000
Quarter-final: €1,800,000
Semi-final: €2,800,000
Runner-up: €4,600,000
Champion: €8,600,000

Coefficient Ranking payment: €1,056,000 ✅
Market Pool** (Group Stage) €2,092,500 ✅

Running total earned after Rapid Vienna (A): €10,665,773 😎

✅* - When a match is drawn the 'Match Pot' of €630,000 is split 3 ways.
€210,000 to each club with the remaining €210,000 going into a 'Group Draw Pot,'
At the end of the Group Stage the money in the 'Group Draw Pot' is divided by the total number of wins in the group and this figure is multiplied by the number of wins each team achieve. So at this stage in Group H there have been 8wins and 2 draws. So as it stands €420,000 / 8 wins = €30,000 x our 3 wins = €90,000. If the remaining 4 games in the Group are not draws we will receive a minimum of €57,273.

**Market Pool worth €139,500,00. Split into 2 parts: -

Part 1 - €69,750,000 divided across number of associations represented in Group Stage (20). England receives €3,487,500 split 60%/40% to Cup Winner/2nd team so West Ham receive €1,395,000.

Part 2 - €69,750,000 divided across the number of rounds (Group Stage - 40%, Round of 16 - 20%, Quarters - 13%, Semis - 8%, Final - 4%). The money is divided by the number of associations represented in each round. For the Group Stage England receives €1,395,000 that is equally split across their representatives so West Ham receive €697,500.

Plus home attendances of 50,004 and 45,980 less £50,000 fine for Rapid Vienna issues.
FlorinRaduclious

MrsGrey

Crossed eyes emoji.

IronHerb

Apologies but I've been to the pub. 😬

This seasons Europa Prize Money after Rapid Vienna (A): -

Qualified to group stage: €3,630,000 ✅
Match won in group stage: €630,000 x 4 ✅
Match drawn in group stage: €210,000 x 1 ✅
Group Draw Pot: €168,000 ✅*
1st in group stage: €1,100,000✅
Knockout round play-offs: €500,000
Round of 16: €1,200,000
Quarter-final: €1,800,000
Semi-final: €2,800,000
Runner-up: €4,600,000
Champion: €8,600,000

Coefficient Ranking payment: €1,056,000 ✅
Market Pool** (Group Stage) €2,092,500 ✅

Running total earned after Rapid Vienna (A): €10,776,500 😎

✅* - When a match is drawn the 'Match Pot' of €630,000 is split 3 ways.
€210,000 to each club with the remaining €210,000 going into a 'Group Draw Pot,'
At the end of the Group Stage the money in the 'Group Draw Pot' is divided by the total number of wins in the group and this figure is multiplied by the number of wins each team achieve. So at this stage in Group H there have been 8 wins and 2 draws. So as it stands €420,000 / 8 wins = €52,500 x our 4 wins = €210,000. If the remaining 2 games in the Group are not draws we will receive a minimum of €168,000

**Market Pool worth €139,500,00. Split into 2 parts: -

Part 1 - €69,750,000 divided across number of associations represented in Group Stage (20). England receives €3,487,500 split 60%/40% to Cup Winner/2nd team so West Ham receive €1,395,000.

Part 2 - €69,750,000 divided across the number of rounds (Group Stage - 40%, Round of 16 - 20%, Quarters - 13%, Semis - 8%, Final - 4%). The money is divided by the number of associations represented in each round. For the Group Stage England receives €1,395,000 that is equally split across their representatives so West Ham receive €697,500.

Plus home attendances of 50,004 and 45,980 less £50,000 fine for Rapid Vienna and £30,000 fine for Genk

claretandbluesky

Great stuff Iron Herb

PrestonHammer

We could have had a game of spot the difference hahaha

Expat_Hammer

Plus the TV money on top.

IronHerb

Expat_Hammer said:

Plus the TV money on top.

I think that is included in the Market Pool.

nychammer66

1.1mm for first in group and 1.2 mm for round of 16. But if you are first in group you are automatically in group of 16. So can we have that $$ now?

IronHerb

1.1m for winning Group. 1.2m for qualifying from Round of 16.

ASLEFshrugged

RB Leipzig, Porto, Borussia Dortmund and Sheriff Tiraspot drop from CL to EL

If Benfica can beat Dynamo Kiev at home and Barcelona lose or draw at Bayern Munich then Barcelona are in the Europa

In the other groups Atalanta play Villarreal and Red Bull Salzburg play Sevilla to decide who goes where

Zenit St Petersburg already down

No disrespect to Dinamo Zagreb, Rapid Vienna and Genk but it feels as if the Europa League is about to get serious

alderz

I would love it so much if we played Barcelona. That's the sort of stuff Rice wants to be doing, and I want him to see he can do it with us. And tbh if there is ever a season to play them competitively it's this one.

yoyo

A couple of years ago who would seriously thought that possible this quickly?

IronHerb

Well yes yoyo, how Barcelona have fallen. 😄