The David Moyes Thread

alderz

Slacker

I was thinking about this over the weekend. If we do get into Europe for next season, the chances are that it would have an adverse impact on our league form. I hope that the club and the fans would be prepared for that possibility, because I certainly feel like a European campaign would have to knock down some of the expectations for league performance.

Lukerz

I think what Moyes alludes to, is that a bad season should not be ‘we need to hit the reset button’, which is something 21st century football encourages & is the norm.

Say we were to be in the bottom 5 at Xmas next season, normally that would see your manager under pressure, regardless of any previous good work done. What Moyes would say is when that inevitably happens, you have to stay by him & let him get us out of it & be patient. The following season, you would hope to return to better days. We may end up finishing 14th, a disappointment compared to this season, but perhaps inevitable over the period of a few years that there will be underperforming seasons & overperforming seasons. The aim would be for us to, out of 10 seasons, be in the top 10 for maybe over 50% of them & possibly be pushing European places in 3 of those 5 top 10 finishes.

I think Moyes would accept that any serious risk of relegation (or relegation itself) is likely to see him lose his job.

Slacker

I make you right Lukerz but you’re stating that from a realistic supporter’s standpoint. Unfortunately there aren’t that many around these days.

alderz

I just knocked up these slides showing Moyes' Everton Record (league only). The grey box is what would be considered statistically "normal" range for performance, while the blue lines show what actually happened. Basically what it tells you is that there were some real ups and downs through his reign. It's widely accepted that that was the benchmark for how to build a midtable club up, but when you look into it, it isn't as simple as getting better and better every year, it's a case of getting better as a club each year. Patience in football is a virtue.

baracks_a_hammer

It’s not always cut and dried though

Bournemouth were patience personified and eventually ended up getting relegated anyway

Leicester pretty quickly parted with Ranieri and didn’t stick with Shakespeare or puel for a huge amount of time either. Yet I would argue they continue to progress.

Pearces_Left_Foot

Leicester are an example of a club that has a long term plan they sell their best players at over the odds when it suits them and then reinvest the money wisely back into the club. I would like us to see us do something similar so if we do sell Rice we get a massive fee then invest it in a replacement and strangthening the squad . We have had too many short term fixes it would be nice a long term plan for once( and not champions league in 7 years promises)

alderz

baracks_a_hammer said:

It’s not always cut and dried though

Bournemouth were patience personified and eventually ended up getting relegated anyway

Leicester pretty quickly parted with Ranieri and didn’t stick with Shakespeare or puel for a huge amount of time either. Yet I would argue they continue to progress.

You are right, and I do agree. I guess the point is that if you believe someone is right for the club in the long haul it won't always be rosey. When you look back through our own history, our legendary managers had good and bad spells. I just hope that , if our season isn't as good next year , we don't all lose faith in what he's doing straight away.

MunichHammer

I reckon what has helped this year is that there have been no fans. The atmosphere could be pretty toxic at times and the fact that nobody has been there to get on their backs has helped imho. They know if they didn't play well and they are professional enough to sort it out.
If results drop next season and the stadium is full I fully expect a pretty bad atmosphere pretty soonish.

ianbishoplegend

Moyes is the opposite of a fashionable social media manager. Just like the signings of Dawson and Lingard. As others have said, those less wise and with little real knowledge of football will have the daggers out soon enough.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Interesting that Moyes says he has an automatic extension in his contract - which he can choose to activate - if we finish higher than 13th.

Lukerz

Looking back at all our results, I find it amazing that our worst run of form this season was around Xmas where we went four games without a win, but even in that run we drew three of them. What a great season.

ASLEFshrugged

Forget Declan, I'm starting to worry that bigger clubs might try to poach Moyes

Cuz1

I wouldn’t worry to much

ASLEFshrugged

If we get into the Champions League then I'm happy to announce that we're highly unlikely to meet Astra Giurgiu who are currently 10th and only the Romanian champions qualify

If we get into the Europa League then Astra Giurgiu are into the QF of the Romanian Cup

It couldn't happen again, could it?

MunichHammer

You really are asking for a #fishslap, aren't you?

Cuz1

There’s a time and plaice for fish puns

alderz

Fun fact, in his second spell, Moyes has a win % if 44.62% from 65 games. That’s the best of any permanent manager in our history (Billy Bonds has 43.61%)

Cuz1

What’s his overall win % with us altogether please

steve

Cuzi did say please

Ace of Clubs

Cuz1 said:

What’s his overall win % with us altogether please

What's his overall win % with us.
Sorry but it reminded me of the film Airplane

Lukerz

To sign a 3 year deal this week by all reports

alderz

Google is your friend

ianbishoplegend

Brilliant manager. One of the best in West Hams history

IronHerb

Lukerz said:

To sign a 3 year deal this week by all reports

What no Conceição? You just cant trust these media reports. 🤥

alderz

Think he’s been hard done by with the LMA Manager of the Year going to Guardiola.

OldCastleSwift

It's a pointless award, really. Almost always goes to whoever wins the league.

Winning the league and Carabao Cup with Man City isn't a huge achievement. It's almost an expectation nowadays because they have a large, ridiculously talented squad and unlimited finances.

What Moyes has done with a small squad and the improvements he's made eclipses what Guardiola has done with City, IMO.

alderz

For me, it should have been between David Moyes, Marcelo Bielsa, Dean Smith and Brendan Rodgers. I don't think anyone would have predicted them to have the season they did, with the resources available to them.

ASLEFshrugged

Dean Smith didn't get close, the top six were Pep, Bielsa, Moyes, Rodgers, Farke at Norwich and Chelsea Women's Emma Hayes. The actually votes don't seem to have been published

Farke won Championship MotY and Hayes won WSL MotY

alderz

I thought it was only Premier League so that's interesting, it's broader than I realised

thornburyiron

Each league has its own award