West Ham’s next boss

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Bazshuayi said:

As mentioned yesterday, we need someone who will inspire us. I havent seen a name mentioned here that even comes close to that

Your right

Cuz1

Exactly my point if moyes which a lot of people are advocating then why not Sam, moyes did well at one club Sam as had measured success at a few clubs, so until we can find anybody who is going to inspire us I will stick by pelle

ianbishoplegend

Being a football fan is now all about repeating mantras. Moyes is boring and a failure, Traore has no end product so is useless, Big Sam is long ball only etc etc etc. Chairmans have to take these thing into account when hiring and firing. Can only get away with Big Sam and Moyes appointment when in the bottom 3. Will be backlash from know it alls otherwise.

OutcastLondoner

Moyes has a win percentage of 29%, which is only slightly better than what we’re at, playing badly now.

He was not really significantly better than what came before or after. Could he have done more with time? I don’t see any sign of that. Maybe we’d have two Hugills.

thornburyiron

One thing in Moyes favour is that win lose or draw we were able to play for the 90+ minutes rather than 60-65 we achieve now.

Cuz1

Big sams was 37.57 % at West Ham I believe

OutcastLondoner

And we were 39% last season.

I think we need to see a few games with Fabianski back. I think he has a big impact. Even with Martin I feel the priority was to protect him. It was a lot of throwing bodies at everything by Balbuena and Ogbonna. Martin made very few saves himself, from what I remember. Fabianski isn’t just levels above the other two, he doesn’t just make crucial saves, he gives the team confidence. I’d like to see whether he can bring some back to the team. Then hopefully we can survive with Pelle until the summer and find a more inspiring manager.

Fortuneseeker

Outcast, this is what we have come to “survive”. We seem to have to do that most seasons, it’s the Groundhog Day scenario. I :pray: we can find someone to inject the funds to resolve this recurring issue and very soon.

Cuz1

As opposed to being booed when we lose

IronHerb

Adam said:

Ah, yes. Let’s go back to the good old times of BFS. A time when our fans booed our manager for winning a game of football. Yes, that’s just what we need!

And rightly so.

Hammerdublin

Hope they will try to get Benitez. It is the only option that will make any sense. As I said before, I am not sure about Moyes, Hughton or BFS.

ianbishoplegend

OutcastLondoner said:

Moyes has a win percentage of 29%, which is only slightly better than what we’re at, playing badly now.

He was not really significantly better than what came before or after. Could he have done more with time? I don’t see any sign of that. Maybe we’d have two Hugills.

I think he would deserve at least a preseason and two windows to be judged on his win %. He had one job (to avoid relegation), and he did it very well.

jay_in_cpt

Benitez IMO is the manager we should have appointed when we went for our current mumbling one..Now unless the Dave's cough up it seems unlikely.
if it had to be out of Moyes & BFS, It's BFS anyday for me, saying that don't think he'd ever return as manager of us.
Should just get Slav back.

EXETERHAMMER

We now need someone to keep us up........

alderz

I don’t understand why anyone wants to go back to any previous manager, personally. We saw first hand the flaws that Sam, Slav and Moyes all had, and I don’t want them back to have to rewatch the same story.

If Pellegrini is to go - and IMO it looks more likely all the time - we need someone new. We need fresh ideas, not a jump back

jay_in_cpt

And Alderz, who would be you choice then? realistic one!
And what about ex players returning to play for us again? what do you think about that?

OutcastLondoner

alderz said:

I don’t understand why anyone wants to go back to any previous manager, personally. We saw first hand the flaws that Sam, Slav and Moyes all had, and I don’t want them back to have to rewatch the same story.

If Pellegrini is to go - and IMO it looks more likely all the time - we need someone new. We need fresh ideas, not a jump back

Exactly.

I don’t see how it can motivate the players either. Let’s go to new levels with the guy you want a few games last time, when we thought he was just about good enough to hold the door open for the current manager.

Hamstew

I agree however from what I'm reading from Ex, its likely to only be Moyes. Obviously only rumours but I think I'd rather Moyes out if the two. I'd obviously prefer neither.

BubblesNeverDies

Alderz, I think the problem is, we're looking like we're again in a fire-fighting situation and therefore it's going to be difficult to attract the kind of manager that we would like.
BFS and Moyes at least did what they were paid to do, to keep us up.
I'm reluctantly accepting that MP is not able to even do that, let alone take us to a higher level. :weep:

alderz

jay_in_cpt said:

And Alderz, who would be you choice then? realistic one!
And what about ex players returning to play for us again? what do you think about that?

I think I’ve seen more from this manager than I did from Moyes, I hated it when Sam was here and Bilic absolutely ran out of steam and ideas. If I had to choose out of that lot I’d keep with Pellegrini.

That said, if there were a change then - of realistic, appointable options - I would probably go for either Ralf Rangnick or Heiko Herrlich. Herrlich is out of work but was great for Leverkusen. Rangnick is now head of sporting development at Red Bull Group, but might want to be a manager again, idk.

Rangnick often played a 4-4-2 with Leipzig, but he also regularly changed from a back 4 to a 3 or a 5, which shows some tactical flexibility that I appreciate. Herrlich preference was 4-2-3-1, but he would often change to 3-4-2-1, 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 when needed.

Regarding returning players, I think the case is very different. Players are very much instructed by a manager how to play and the style of play, a change of manager could change the player entirely, so a returning player might be very different, IMO.

Cuz1

Might get arnie back now China as capped salaries to 2 million a year, can see a lot of the mercenaries or should I say trophy hunters returning

IronHerb

It he's a trophy hunter he won't comeback to us......

Lukerz

This is the Moyes who watched us get thrashed 4-1 by Swansea, 4-0 Everton, 3-0 to Burnley etc all the while whilst effectively playing a back five & with four in midfield protecting the back five.

If we decide to get rid of Pellegrini, no way should we be resorting to a former flame. Agree with alderz completely.

If Moyes is the guaranteed replacement for Pelle, I’d rather we keep MP. There is more potential under MP should we get out of this current mess than there is under Moyes.

imagelost

Lukerz said:

This is the Moyes who watched us get thrashed 4-1 by Swansea, 4-0 Everton, 3-0 to Burnley etc all the while whilst effectively playing a back five & with four in midfield protecting the back five.

If we decide to get rid of Pellegrini, no way should we be resorting to a former flame. Agree with alderz completely.

If Moyes is the guaranteed replacement for Pelle, I’d rather we keep MP. There is more potential under MP should we get out of this current mess than there is under Moyes.

I agree
Al the previous managers we getting whoop, playing rubbish clueless and dull football.
I don’t get me wrong,, all teams have it in Them to lose.

I would a like manager who Can motivate the players and can deal with players with big egos and has a plan b

jay_in_cpt

Alderz :ok: WOW u must watch a lot of foreign football...
Problem for me is if Pelle is to go, :pray: the best we could get at this time is to get a stop gap ( BFS ) give him his Million pounds to keep us up & then go for a long term manager ( Benitez IMO ).

alderz

Jay - not particularly a lot. I watch a bit (I enjoy the bundesliga), but I do a lot of reading and researching when I’m interested in things. For example, there is a page on transfermarkt that lists out of work managers, and you can filter on all sorts.

Pengeman

MrsGrey said "Why would he [Moyes] come back to WHU after the last time?"

A number of reasons - Moyes hasn't got managerial post, needs to showcase his talents, has some unfinished business, there are worse jobs and WHU board need someone who can rescue teams on trouble. Moyes, at least has some track record for the last attribute.

yoyo

It makes me wonder why Moyes has been unemployed for so long, both before and after his short stint with us. If he was THAT desirable then surely he would have been snapped up by now?

alderz

Pengeman said:

MrsGrey said "Why would he [Moyes] come back to WHU after the last time?"

A number of reasons - Moyes hasn't got managerial post, needs to showcase his talents, has some unfinished business, there are worse jobs and WHU board need someone who can rescue teams on trouble. Moyes, at least has some track record for the last attribute.

Does he, though? He kept us up, he was terrible with Sunderland, Sociedad and United, and his time at Everton isn’t really comparable as it was like a dynasty rather than a fire fight

buffybegood

Cuz1 said:

Big sams was 37.57 % at West Ham I believe

Did that include the season in the Championship though?