West Ham’s next boss

ASLEFshrugged

Give him a full season in charge, he only go the job in February.

Lukerz

yoyo said:

Scott Parkers Fulham still going strong. Too soon?

Would have been one of my picks had we got rid of Pelle but I am sure the owners would see it as too much of a gamble.

Bazshuayi

Fulham played good football under Slaviša Jokanović. When they came up they didn't buy particularly well and then kneejerked to Ranieri... Is Parker trying to play the same way as Jokanović? Or has he changed to a big degree? I've heard Fulham being called the Man City of the Championship (I believe whilst Parker was manager so perhaps they've not changed their style much). I believe hes managing in Qatar. I'd rather have someone like him than Evertons new boss

Hamstew

I know he is struggling ATM but I'd still like Howe. :sofa:

Whitehorsehammer

Not for me Ham, I'm sure he is a good guy but I have a horrible feeling it would not work out for him at The London Stadium and in a fairly short space of time he would be heading back to Bournemouth.

baracks_a_hammer

I would have liked Arteta to be honest. But if we did change our manager I’d prefer it to be someone doing well in a job that we need to prise away. But it’s not what sully does

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Baracks,

To be fair, it’s not what almost anybody does.

baracks_a_hammer

Look back at our protracted chase of Pardew. Now I know it unravelled for him for various reasons - and some may have been of his own making but he did quite well in the earlier part of his time with us and was within a Scaloni brain fade of winning us a trophy.

baracks_a_hammer

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

Baracks,

To be fair, it’s not what almost anybody does.

Odd that we can easily pay £9m on someone like hugill without blinking an eye, and yet wont pay another club some comp for their manager.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I know what you’re saying, but it isn’t just us. It’s almost everybody. Practically every club hires a manager out of work.

Fortuneseeker

Jorderz,

Was Arteta not employed by Manchester City?

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

He was a coach, he wasn’t the manager.

Unless you’re saying Sully is cheap because he doesn’t hire as manager people who are currently coaches at other teams.

If so, which coaches are you hoping Sully gives the manager’s job to?

Add to that Arsenal are a much bigger club with more money and Arteta desperately wanted to go, and I don’t think it’s a very useful example.

Fortuneseeker

I stand corrected Jorderz and will feel even more chastised when G & S actually pay some compensation to get a “top” manager when they are needed. I see you have mentioned the bigger club bit and more money another thing we have to burden ourselves with but weren’t we told if we moved stadium we could compete with these clubs?

MrsGrey

Fortuneseeker said:

weren’t we told if we moved stadium we could compete with these clubs?

If you enter the lottery, you could win it.

alderz

alderz said:

So, I've seen a bunch of people recently complain that the owners are cheap because they don't employ managers that are employed, because it means they will be paying compensation. I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I wondered to myself how common it is for PL clubs to hire an employed manager.

Over the past four and half seasons (2016/17 til today) there have been 55 managerial changes by Premier League clubs (not including Everton, Watford & Arsenal, as they haven't made appointments yet). 31 of these were during the season, and 24 were in the close season.

29% (16) of these were in employment at the time that the hiring club sacked their previous manager. They were:

- Graham Potter - Swansea to Brighton
- Antonio Conte - Italy to Chelsea (though his contract was ending)
- Frank Lampard - Derby to Chelsea
- Ronald Koeman - Southampton to Everton
- Jan Siewart - Dortmund II to Huddersfield
- Brendan Rodgers - Celtic to Leicester
- Pep Guardiola - Bayern to City
- Ole Gunnar Solskjaer - Molde to Utd
- Steve Bruce - Sheffield Wednesday to Newcastle
- Gary Rowett - Derby to Stoke
- Simon Grayson - Preston to Sunderland
- Bob Bradley - Le Havre to Swansea
- Carlos Carvalhal - Sheffield Wednesday to Swansea (though he did get sacked between Swansea sacking Paul Clement and him being hired)
- Graham Potter - Ostersund to Swansea
- Marco Silva - Hull to Watford (quit Hull before being appointed)
- Manuel Pellegrini - Hebei China Fortune to West Ham

Only 5 of those were mid season changes. That means that only 5 of the past 31 mid season managerial changes by PL clubs have been to recruit a manager in a job, and the Carlos Calvalhal appointment stretches the logic slightly, so it's probably more accurate to say 4.

In that time, these clubs have turned to an out of work manager at least once: Aston Villa, Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Everton, Fulham, Hull City, Leicester, Liverpool, Middlesbrough, Newcastle, Southampton, Stoke, Sunderland, Swansea, Spurs, Watford, West Brom, West Ham.

So, basically, it's really, very rare for any club to prise a manager from the grasp of another club. OBVIOUSLY that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, but it does mean it is extraordinarily unusual for any club to do so, which - to me - means it's not a stick we should beat the owners with.

Here’s this again, for info

Fortuneseeker

Mrs G, I know from personal experience how much money I have won playing the lottery over many years. :weep:

grey_til_I_dye

Fortuneseeker said:

Mrs G, I know from personal experience how much money I have won playing the lottery over many years. :weep:

Is it a lot, Ted?

AdMeus_CaputFilius

Pellegrini should have gone at least 5 games ago so a new manager could settle in, see what he had and make plans for the transfer window of ins and outs. Unfortunately we will be in the bottom 3 after Saturdays games so will be difficult to attract a decent manager as a replacement.

GSB can't blame anyone but themselves as the writing has been on the wall for some time now, instead they dither and their dithering is infecting the club, They dither, the manager dithers (especially when making subs - discusses it for 10 mins with his sidekick and by then it is too late to be effective), the players dither on the ball and can't decide what to do with it.

Manager needs to go, board and owners need to go for the good of the club. We also need to get someone who can identify decent players to purchase, the last lot haven't exactly set the games on fire - none have put in any memorable performances.

horshamhammer

Another thing I noticed- when there was a break in play the Palace players were on the touchline receiving instructions from Hodgson - ours were arguing with the ref while Pellegrini aimlessly wandered around in his technical area. Speaks volumes I think.

imagelost

I never thought pelle was this bad

baracks_a_hammer

I don’t think I could have summed it up better Adme

The key word being dither and it is spot on

Over a quarter of a century that trio has owned/run football clubs. They have won nothing and generally the clubs they have been with have pretty much sleep-walked. They may well be very good at spinning a good yarn but IMO they are not good nearly as good at what they do than they doubtless think they are. Birmingham hardly progressed by the time they left and we certainly haven’t

At least Birmingham fans can be grateful that they didn’t sell their ground from under them too.

baracks_a_hammer

23 pages this thread, “West Ham’s Next Boss” is on, and yet we are still with the current one, probably till at least the end of the season

OutcastLondoner

Ex has been saying Moyes is likely to return if Pellegrini goes. I do not want that. I don’t think Moyes delivered anything better than what we’ve been doing the last month or so.

Cuz1

Think the owners didn’t offer moyes a contract for a reason

Dodger58

Because they already had the deal in place for Pelle. I have always liked Moyes and believe he would be a good longer term solution for us and within reach!

ianbishoplegend

Moyes is the man

Hamstew

ianbishoplegend said:

Moyes is the man

I'm beginning to agree

Hammerdublin

ianbishoplegend said:

Moyes is the man

I am not sure about that. But I think Pellegrini is definitely NOT the man. He can't make the players train properly, and their fitness level is nowhere near acceptable. Neither can he unite the team and motivate them. Noble lashing out at Ogbonna was truly ugly. I want the end of the current shambles.

baracks_a_hammer

Am I right in saying buying Hugill and not buying Dendoncker were both Moyes decisions? I’m not sure I want him back

If it’s a short term fix we are after to get the side properly organised, fitter and working harder, then no-one would come close to Sam IMO

BubblesNeverDies

I didn't see Noble lashing out at Ogbonna, what was that about, why did he do it?