The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

Lukerz

I think had some of those thrashings been closer affairs (1-0s, 2-1s etc), there would be a different view on his time here. What his spell has shown us is that when we go 1-0 up under him we are a confident team who defend the lead well and tend to win comfortably, we don't throw away many leads. However, when we go behind (particularly 2-0 down), that is it. We don't have the mentality (or maybe resources/leadership) to get ourselves back into the game or keep ourselves in the game. Moyes has to answer for that too. He tends to make subs that are predictable and often too late. I really am 50-50 on this call. I think he could potentially be very good for us and I agree with slizzy, there's not much between him and Slav, he certainly is no Sam or Pulis, IMO.

Lukerz

Lukerz said:

(UPDATED) Moyes' record so far:

Wins:
West Ham 1-0 Chelsea
Stoke 0-3 West Ham
West Ham 2-1 WBA
Huddersfield 1-4 West Ham
West Ham 2-0 Watford
West Ham 3-0 Southampton
Leicester 0-2 West Ham
West Ham 3-1 Everton

Draws:
West Ham 1-1 Leicester
West Ham 0-0 Arsenal
Bournemouth 3-3 West Ham
Spurs 1-1 West Ham
West Ham 1-1 Bournemouth
West Ham 1-1 Crystal Palace
Chelsea 1-1 West Ham
West Ham 1-1 Stoke
West Ham 0-0 Man Utd

Defeats:
Watford 2-0 West Ham
Everton 4-0 West Ham
Man City 2-1 West Ham
West Ham 2-3 Newcastle
Brighton 3-1 West Ham
Liverpool 4-1 West Ham
Swansea 4-1 West Ham
West Ham 0-3 Burnley
Arsenal 4-1 West Ham
West Ham 1-4 Man City

33 points from 27 games. GD of -8. Roughly 10th place form.

IronHerb

Lukerz said:

(UPDATED) Moyes' record so far:

Wins:
West Ham 2-1 WBA*
Huddersfield 1-4 West Ham*

Draws:
West Ham 1-1 Leicester*
Bournemouth 3-3 West Ham*
Spurs 1-1 West Ham+
West Ham 1-1 Bournemouth*
West Ham 1-1 Crystal Palace*
Chelsea 1-1 West Ham*
West Ham 1-1 Stoke*

Defeats:
Man City 2-1 West Ham+
West Ham 2-3 Newcastle+

Again under Moyes.

* Points gained in matches where we went behind. (W2, D6)
+Points lost after scoring first. (1D, 2L)

Not many teams come back from 2-0 down so I think that's a bit harsh.
We came back from 1 goal down to get points in 8 games from the 16 we conceded first so not quite as bad as you contend Lukerz. IMO of course.

MrsGrey

Lukerz said:

However, when we go behind (particularly 2-0 down), that is it.

Genuine question: is our record when we go behind by a couple of goals any worse than anyone else's?

I'd have expected it to be the norm that once the losing team has to start pushing for goals, it becomes easier for the winning team to get a couple more, and we are no worse than any other team in that regard. ;hmm

(The stage of the match that the goals are scored probably is a big factor too - how long you have to defend for while trying to fashion opportunities to have a shot on goal.)

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I think you're right Lukerz, in that if, say, the Burnley, Swansea, Everton and perhaps Brighton defeats had been much closer, the 'feel' towards him would be a lot better.

When we lose, we seem to get battered. And it's horrible, as it's been going on for a while. You don't mind taking a pasting from the top 4-6 if they're on form, but conceding 3 and 4 to teams in and around us on a regular basis is depressing.

TheMadcapLaughs

On reading this and other forums I`ve definitely come out in the Moyes in camp now. The biggest thing for me is after six months both he and his team will have settled, they will have sussed out where we are weak and need to strengthen, and they will have built a relationship with the players. With this in mind, and with suitable financial backing, I believe that Moyes and his boys will have it sorted come end of summer. To start again now, whoever the board have in mind, will be a backward step.

MOYES IN

MrsGrey

Interesting (thanks for the stats Luke) that most of our defeats are away (7). Of the 3 at home, one was against City one was the Burnley game (which I think should be ignored) and the other was v. Newcastle. I still don't know how they beat us so badly.

Quite a good set of stats, imo. For clubs like ours, you need your home games to be your bread and butter points.

MrsGrey

Those draws ;nonono

6 at home.
2 away at top 6 teams.
1 away at Bournemouth after we went 2-1 down and that flippin' ref overruled the lino to allow the Callum Wilson goal ;angry

Chappers

Moyes 'unlikely to stay' according to sky sports reports.

I have to say, I'd rather he stayed for the reasons already pointed out in the eyes of consistancey.
We now have to go through the process of more unrest and instability. I hope the owners have their man lined up already!

Lukerz

Sky saying up to 40 managers are interested in the job. ;hmm

OldCastleSwift

Been thinking about it all day.

#moyesin

But yeah, Sully will find a way of making things so much more difficult than they need to be, I'm sure

Cuz1

Don’t get it with Moyes unless it’s the board, can’t see him goingto a top six side so surely with his self proclaimed ability he could with little investment but a bit of tinkering push us on further, we have been poor this season but only two off of top ten nine off of eighth so I believe it must be the owners

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I'm more and more Moyes in, mainly because it seems we don't have anybody else lined up, and I fear we are going to be destabilising the club yet again.

And not for any really compelling reason (i.e. a star manager is lined up and ready to take the job). Moyes has done a good job in difficult circumstances.

#MoyesIn

OldCastleSwift

Tuchel has gone to PSG so at least we don't have to wait for him to turn us down

OldCastleSwift

Lukerz said:

Sky saying up to 40 managers are interested in the job. ;hmm

Would that be Jim 'Sullivan's Pet' White making that statement by any chance?

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I wonder if Emery is being looked at again.

We might also have a chance with Benitez if we can categorically offer him more transfer funds than Newcastle.

grey_til_I_dye

OldCastleSwift

I suspect he is, but again, we'd be wasting our time.

Emery is better than us and he'll have much more attractive options, IMO.

Rafa, Pellegrini or Jokanovic are about the only ones I can see us having a chance with, but we need to get it sorted ASAP, whatever we decide to do.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

I’m off to check Pellegrini’s odds ;wink

Lukerz

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/14/david-moyes-west-ham-talks-next-week

Reporting what we suspect. Looking at other options before deciding about Moyes. Should hear in a fortnight.

Cuz1

I’d wait to see if Fulham don’t make the play off final tonigh slaven him and cairney according to my mate who was talking to Elvis down the fish and chip shop earlier

thornburyiron

Given that Moyes was given until the end of the season to save us from relegation I would guess he's already technically gone and at the moment we are manager less. That would mean that the Daves are in charge of everything and I can't see anything happening regarding signings until a new manager is in place. When that does happen, if it is someone new then he will want his own backroom staff and the whole saga we went through in October we'd have to go through again.
As regards new players how can a manager bring in a replacement for a player he's never worked with and if a foreigner probably never seen play.
I can see it all going pear shaped and Sullivan saying we tried for A, B, C ....Z and finally got our man but unfortunately there was no time for new signings but January will be our time.

OldCastleSwift

Lukerz said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/14/david-moyes-west-ham-talks-next-week

Reporting what we suspect. Looking at other options before deciding about Moyes. Should hear in a fortnight.

Fortnight ;lol

IronHerb

So the earlier reported 7 to 10 days has slipped already. ;lol

OldCastleSwift

So we have no manager and probably won't for at least two weeks.

Just terrific.

claretandbluesky

You would hope they are in talks, even if informal with one or two suitable candidates if looking to replace Moyes and the end of the season will now allow a formality to enter these talks.

As already mentioned I can understand a decision to give Moyes a season long contract and also to go for someone else if the right man is available, but either way it must happen soon and whoever comes must be backed in the transfer market.

In my view we have a mid table squad that was underachieving but eventually got their act together and pulled themselves out of a relegation fight, but we are about 3 or 4 decent first team players away from looking upwards next season as we have a good core.

SuzanneClaret

MrsGrey

claretandbluesky said:

In my view we have a mid table squad that was underachieving but eventually got their act together and pulled themselves out of a relegation fight, but we are about 3 or 4 decent first team players away from looking upwards next season as we have a good core.

;ok

OldCastleSwift

KUMB reporting that we've had discussions with another candidate today as well as Moyes ;hmm

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Not sure exactly why, but I really, really wouldn’t want Ranieri.