The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

thornburyiron

No. The suggestion was he was sulking because he came on in a RWB position but he could just have been fed up that week in week out we didn't seem to be making any kind of progress

claretandbluesky

Although I still can't quite believe we hired David Moyes for all the reasons already stated by many, and I feel Pearce is a backward step also, however I am really looking forward to the Watford match because the one thing all these two have is an urgency to turn things around for themselves and that could produce at least a big short term boost.

These are people who have worked at the top of the game, Moyes has bossed Man Utd and Pearce is an England legend and ex Man City manager. These two guys are also very competitive and will hate being seen as they are in management terms at present, they also are two people you would not imagine to need the money which means they are here to change their footballing fortunes, and as they know they are not part of a long term plan as it stands, they will know they must hit the ground running..... and that could mean sparks could fly at Watford. We could see one of the most fired up teams ever seen. I am getting quite excited now.

chicagohammer

C&b, take a deeeeeeeep breath, this is a West Ham after all, it is true that I am looking forward to seeing a reaction from the players on the pitch, but I have been here far to many times to let my excitement get the better of me.

“We could see one of the most fired up teams we have ever seen”

MATRON!

;wink

claretandbluesky

Chicago - You are quite right of course, I just suffer from the West Ham fan delusion that it's always just about to happen, even though it quite never does. I was doing my best to look upwards but I have just read the BBC page announcing Pearce's arrival and taken full stock of our management team. How the board appraise Cv's I have no idea.

Moyes - recent form since Everton, Sacked by Man Utd after one season,failing to qualify for champions league, first time in most peoples memory. Sacked by Real Sociadad after one season and then took Sunderland down in one season.

Pearce - Great player but given some top drawer chances to show management ability but always ended in being sacked, currently out of football and advertising a betting company.

Billy McKinley - Sacked with Moyes in Spain, then sacked within a year by some Norwegian side, then most recently care taker of Sunderland, who he leaves bottom of the championship.

Alan Irvine - Can't really gripe or get excited about his recent past.

Kuchinghammer

C&B - Managers today are Born To Fail. Bruce Springsteen wrote a song about it. ;wink

Hammerex

C & B reading your summary above, I think they have all the qualities of a
typical West Ham managerial team, that we have suffered for, far too many
years. Hopefully I am wrong, we will see how we stand at the end of the season.
If we are relegated, no doubt we will have another clear out.

alderz

Literally 95% of managers are failures judged by that criteria.

Man Utd looking at Mourinho: previously successful, just been sacked only 6 months after winning the title because he couldn't motivate players. Involved in a legal battle around sexism and workplace bullying.

Liverpool looking at Klopp: just finished 7th with recent champions and champions league finalists. Last game in charge was to lose the cup final.

Newcastle looking at Benitez: sacked by Madrid after 6 months for failing to manage one of the best sides in the world. His successor went unbeaten for 40 odd games after replacing him and won the champions league.

claretandbluesky

I think you are right Alderz, being sacked is part of being a football manager unless you are in the very small percentage that come and go on their own terms. I think if there is a distinction it's that managers worth their sort get re-employed quite quickly but there is a slow process ( in Steve Mclarens case a snails pace ) in which their stock sinks so low that they fall out the bottom (Ian Dowie was once a premiership manager ) and I think the feeling many have with our coaching team is that we have come in low and re-appointed people who may have looked about ready to drop out, at least from high level management.

If I take an objective view had we not appointed Moyes I would not have been able to foresee another Premiership club looking to him after what happened at Sunderland, likewise I could not see where Pearce's next chance would come from, and McKinley after being fired in Norway and helping take Sunderland to the bottom of the Championship was unlikely to be offered the permanent post, or likely many others. If however hypothetically Benitez was sacked by Newcastle, he can come in at a high level pretty much when he would like I imagine as his stock is still very high. I think that the gamble we have taken is entrusting our survival this season to a group of people who are near dropping through the bottom. The other way of looking at it which is what I was attempting to until Chicago mercilessly shot my optimism/ delusion down in flames was see it that all these people have a last chance and will need to take it and so will bring every bit of what they have to this opportunity, which may provide at least the short term boost to move us out of danger this season. I am still running with that idea as I tend like to look upwards, but in reality Chicago is likely right.

Vorselaarhammer

Lets look on the bright we got a new manager in and he has had 2 weeks with the team and has got his coaches in place.

Meanwhile Everton are still looking and being rejected and I dont think Silva would have been their first choice.

How much would we be knocking the board if they had got rid of Slav without a replacement lined up...

grey_til_I_dye

How much would we be knocking the board if they had got rid of Slav without a replacement lined up...

Is it a lot, Ted?

SuzanneClaret

According to the golden generation at ManUtd Steve Mclaren was one of the best coaches they had.

A good coach does not necessarily make a good manager and a poor manager does not necessarily make a poor coach.

OldCastleSwift

But a good coach does do a great Dutch accent

chicagohammer

I think the trick to success is to keep your career within your competency level, many people get promoted just beyond it ;wink

chicagohammer

C&B I have to admire your williness to embrace optimism and make no mistake, I too will be watching the game on Sunday with a keen sense of anticipation, bordering on, dare I say it, excitement.




;scarf coyi ;scarf

alderz

c&b sky

I think that you are right about where Irvine, Pearce & McKinley's next managerial job was going to come, but then, we haven't appointed any of them as manager. Some people try to step up to management, but are cut out for being coaches, and that's what I think for those three.

And, as you point out, Sunderland are at the bottom of the Championship. That is a club in severe crisis, with extremely low quality footballers, owned by a man who doesn't seem to care what happens. The fact that Simon Grayson, a man who is pretty well respected at that level, couldn't revitalise them in any way following relegation tells me that Moyes was onto a hiding last season, whatever he did

Cuz1

Big Sam managed to keep them up, only reason I bring this up is hes pulled out the race for Everton job according to sky sources and I don’t blame him, they wanted him to keep them up on a six month contract,surely anyone who achieved that deserves two years after to push on

Vorselaarhammer

A min Video on FB of some intense on the ball training, all the new coaches involved..

Words like “Fight for it”, “work” and “Tidy with your passes”....

claretandbluesky

I think Sam has a cracking situation going in that he takes holiday between June and December, then signs on to put out a fire for the other six months on a massive bonus. I actually feel that Sunderland and Palace would have likely gone down both seasons without him. I think on the posts of working to your strengths his is perfect for the role he has been playing in that he can take a bunch of underperforming players and organise them and instil in them discipline to defend properly and begin to pick up vital points.

SuzanneClaret

I just don't think you can judge Moyes on the 'job' he did at Sunderland.

The club its an ocean going fur lined cluster cods up.

OldCastleSwift

I'll judge him on what I see on the pitch on Sunday.

And I'm feeling rather optimistic.

Imagine West Ham not ruining your weekend ;hmm

Weird, innit?

Cuz1

When he took over us we were in a bad place too, until he and Nolan United us,not going back over it but that was the thanks they got from the club and fans and from a lot on here, undeserved in my own honest opinion we’re certainly no better off,since as are a lot of clubs he’s left

SuzanneClaret

OldCastleSwift said:

I'll judge him on what I see on the pitch on Sunday.

And I'm feeling rather optimistic.

Imagine West Ham not ruining your weekend ;hmm

Weird, innit?

SuzanneClaret

According to West Ham Instagram..

"The U23s have come up to Rush Green to train with us and I hope that's the way it stays. I've been told about one or two and a couple have caught my eye" David Moyes.

OldCastleSwift

Which suggests the U23s trained separately under SB. Which in turn could explain why the youth weren't given much of an opportunity ;hmm

With Hernandez out of the Watford game, could Martinez make the bench?

alderz

I don't think it suggests that necessarily. They might always have done that but he's just saying it's something he likes.

NEoldiron

Chicago, a bit like this, you mean ;wink

The Peter principle is a concept in management theory formulated by educator Laurence J. Peter and published in 1969. It states that the selection of a candidate for a position is based on the candidate's performance in their current role, rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role. Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, and "managers rise to the level of their incompetence".

OldCastleSwift

alderz said:

I don't think it suggests that necessarily. They might always have done that but he's just saying it's something he likes.

Possibly. Just sounded to me like it was something new ;ok

SuzanneClaret

That’s what I thought, Which is why I posted it.

MrsGrey

I just wonder how feasible it is to run training with the full senior squad and all the U23s... That's a lot of bodies. How many training pitches are there at Rush Green, and does he mean train 'with' us or 'alongside' us? ;hmm

SuzanneClaret

I think there are 4 pitches at Rush Green and from the photos it looks like a joint training session for the most part.