The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

IronHerb

Phew! I thought you were going to say Albert. ;lol

MrsGrey

Adam said:

Interesting article on the sky sports website about Carroll and Moyes.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11685/11127353/david-moyes8217-west-ham-hopes-could-hinge-on-andy-carroll8217s-fitness

It seems we play better with Carroll in the side and Sunderland played better with Anichebe in the side.

The analysis re AC is only for this season, though. So the conclusion drawn by the Sky writer could be false.

Adam

To be honest, I don't really need statistics to know that we play better (offensively) with Carroll, imo. When we don't play him, we don't have much of a game plan.

My point is that I hope Moyes does have a plan for the team without Carroll, since he will inevitably get injured.

Vorselaarhammer

Reading the article a tactic is terrible when you don't win the game....

I am sure Rio remembers Beckham and Giggs putting in one or two crosses...

Cuz1

Always reminds me of bbc bias when we went long was hoof ball, when gerrard went long it was a 70 yard inch perfect pass

grey_til_I_dye

Recently, whilst teams like us simply play the long ball, fashionable teams have been 'playing it early back to front'.

When they do it, it is a clever tactic to counter the high press. When we do it, it is anti-football.

OutcastLondoner

Cuz1 said:

Always reminds me of bbc bias when we went long was hoof ball, when gerrard went long it was a 70 yard inch perfect pass

But it was different. Gerrard usually was trying to pick someone out, with some pace on the ball. We just floated it up to the front where maybe our striker would win a knock down but mostly to no one else, if they weren't beaten to it or giving away a free-kick.

OldCastleSwift

"We just floated it up to the front where maybe our striker would win a knock down but mostly to no one else, if they weren't beaten to it or giving away a free-kick."



;bowdown

NEoldiron

Grey, a lot of the time we have been 'playing it early front to back'.

Expat_Hammer

So early that our players weren't yet in a position to receive ;lol

grey_til_I_dye

NE

Not according to comms or pundits...

Kuchinghammer

With Martin O'Neill likely to walk away from the Irish vitriol (unusual from them, they normally give managers great support), Moyes' appointment seems even more of a gamble to me. I know which one I'd be happier with.... ;luck

SuzanneClaret

O'Neill had his chance to manage us and he walked away at the last minute.

ASLEFshrugged

O'Neill walked away because someone told the press that he'd be our new manager before we'd sacked Grant which he considered unprofessional.

He was and still is absolutely right

Cuz1

I get that Aslef but he wouldn’t be the first or last to do that in football management, do we believe Moyes wasn’t tapped up before, I feel is stock as gone down a little since so wouldn’t inspire me if he was offered it now

ASLEFshrugged

I'm sure they did negotiate with Moyes before they sacked Slav but they didn't go blabbing to the press and media that it was done and dusted before the Liverpool game, did they? Obviously they've learnt their lesson from the MO'N episode

Cuz1

Though it was obvious by all reports that Moyes was in fact going to get the job just not confirmed, by delaying the announcement by a day doesn’t make it any less underhanded

Bazshuayi

MO'N is one of those managers that should be consigned to the past when the top league was called Division1- Im not exactly enamoured with Moyes but MO'N is very close to scraping the bottom of the barrel.

chicagohammer

It is probably true that a lesson was learned but there is also possibility that there are different dynamics at work here.

Our owners must have known that the appointment of Moyes would in all likliehood create a social media backlash, and they were right, I think that had the news leaked out earlier than it did, there is the very real possibility that the deal would have been fatally impacted so they felt they had to be especially cautious and tight lipped about the news

At the time, they probably felt there was probably less concern over any negative fan reaction over the potential appointment of MO’N as I think he would have had a fairly high approval rating.

I recall that at the time I was quite happy about the idea.

Not matter, let’s behind the team and manager this weekend.


coyi

PrestonHammer

My company delivers the fruit and veg to the training ground. According to the bloke who does the deliveries, he hasn't seen the players looking knackered and sweaty for ages. Could be a good sign.

sweepy23

I have no doubt Moyes will get them fit. It’s the rest I worry about.

thornburyiron

Don't think they'd have been too impressed with the dev squad tonight, thrashed 5-1 at home.

Lukerz

Sounds like the first team

Cuz1

What sort of squad did we have out anybody know, being ripped apart in my derby supporting pub. Grrrrrr

thornburyiron

Trott, Johnson (Scully 64), Akinola, Pike (Coventry 50), Powell, Quina, Makasi, Kemp (Diangana 56), Samuelsen, Haksabanovic, Martinez

OutcastLondoner

PrestonHammer said:

My company delivers the fruit and veg to the training ground. According to the bloke who does the deliveries, he hasn't seen the players looking knackered and sweaty for ages. Could be a good sign.

In the days of the ITK, I do miss this type of intel.

thornburyiron

In his pre match press call he said the players had told him they didn't work hard enough so let's hope he's worked them as hard as need be without going too far.

Cuz1

So what’s to stop those players who thort that doing extra sessions themselves maybe that was part of the indiscipline within the squad

thornburyiron

It's not about extra sessions it's about intensity. Doing the same exercises but a bit quicker isn't necessarily what was wanted.

Cuz1

As a professional footballer and let’s be honest they arnt just starting there careers should they really be saying they haven’t been trained hard enough, self discipline for a start and if they needed to then say they wearnt in my eyes is pure laziness and arnt fit to wear the shirt