Summer 2017 Transfer Speculation

grey_til_I_dye

I'm not going to byte...

thornburyiron

I can see the sense in a "first option" clause but can't see any club agreeing to buy a player where the selling club can say "we are buying him back now".

Expat_Hammer

I watched a program on that ....

alderz

Thorn

That's what happened with Morata at Juve. Real just took him back when they were ready

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

And carvahal

Barcelona but clauses into most of their young players they let go like Romeu and Deulofeu

United have a clause to get Depay back

Chelsea looking to get rid of traore with a buy back clause

Yeoldhammer

as long as the buyback clause is more than you paid for them it should be okay. if we got Inhenacho for 24m then put the buyback on it at 30m or 40m

alderz

The frustration would be if they took him back for £30m only to sell him on for £50m

Pearces_Left_Foot

Sky reporting we have put offer in on incheanho

baracks_a_hammer

This buyback thing has the hallmarks of being worse than a straight loan. All of the downsides of ownership and none of the upsides..

;hmm

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

It does guarantee you a decent- sized profit if the original club wants to buy him back. But agreed, mostly its a silly thing to agree to.

baracks_a_hammer

Jorderz,

If he scores, say 15 odd goals for us and we are forced to say give him up for around £28m, in the current market that would be a pretty poor outcome for us (except for the goals bit of course!)

Expat_Hammer

But what if he says, I don't want to go back there ???

baracks_a_hammer

Then if he happens to be worth £50m, Man City would trigger their right and we would have to pay the difference to keep him I would have thought.. ;hmm

epsom_bubbles

How is that different to third party ownership, Tevez style. We buy the player but don't really own him outright

grey_til_I_dye

epsom

I think the definition of 3rd party ownership is that someone other than the club (or in addition to the club) owns the registration right of the player.

I think buy back clauses are reasonably common on the continent, not that I think it would be a good thing.

MrsGrey

Expat_Hammer said:

But what if he says, I don't want to go back there ???

I'd imagine that the clause would be in his contract, and if he signs the contract, he can't renege at a later date. Unless HE buys himself out of it.

Adam

As people have said, it's pretty common for Real Madrid and for Barcelona. If the player plays well, then the buying side does get a good player for a season or two. It's still a positive.

Man City are in the driving seat and I'm sure there are a lot of interested clubs.

We should complete on the deal quickly and not drag negotiations on for too long.

grey_til_I_dye

Not quite the case (as we just found out on the Interwebby).

There is a 'first refusal' option, or a buy back option that can be inserted into cotnracts.

This seems to explain it quite well:

http://www.danielgeey.com/football-transfers-buy-back-clauses-explained/

Essentially, with the buy back clause, there is typically a minimum term (e.g. 2 years) after whcih for an agreed fee, the selling club have the contractual right to buy the player back. So, essentially, it is a kind of half-way house between a loan and a sale.

steve

;hmm still don't like it

grey_til_I_dye

steve

Me either, but it may be the only way clubs like ours can ever get promising players from 'top clubs'.

baracks_a_hammer

Grey

;ok

We are not going to get a player we can get excited about without some sort of drawback/compromise

Bazshuayi

I'm not fussed if there's one in it. City will only want him back if he really stars for us in a Lukaku type of way. If Guardiola doesnt fancy him now I doubt he'll take a great interest in 2 years time plus change his team shape to accommodate.

Teams like City will be interested in and capable of signing virtually anyone in any given transfer window. Even if Iheanacho scored 15 to 20 goals I reckon it'll be other clubs that'll ultimately be interested (whilst City look for an Aguero replacement elsewhere to go with Jesus).

In short, he's got potential to be a great player but City are always in the market for the very top players (assume Bernard Silva will ultimately take David Silvas role in the side for example and in the short term be his substitute or replace if injured).

Iheanacho isnt getting in the team in front of Sane, Aguero, Jesus, DeBruyne, Sterling and Silva(s) (plus anyone else they buy). It would make sense for him to move and he, at this moment, will only get week in/week out time at a lesser club like us.

I'm more concerned he'll go to Everton or a continental club rather than worry about a buy back clause

Lukerz

He will only go to EFC if there's movement on Lukaku. Which is why moving early is important.

MrsGrey

Of course, he could decide to sit it out to the last knockings of the transfer window, no matter how early we go... Batshuayi all over again?

Yeoldhammer

Make the offer, if accepted throw terms at him or ask what he wants.
Agree or disagree then move on.

Hammerwombat

Can we get Dimi back for a couple of games? Just so I can give him a Chinese burn and stamp on his toes.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

There's always the other side of the coin, too, that you can end up having to sell a player for less than their true value because he forces a move (ala Payet). At least with the buyback clause, there is a fixed return which would represent a profit and hopefully a good price based on his current potential.

Lukerz

Latest rumour is us making a bid for Tadic.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Good little player.... don't really see a need for him though

He's 28 answer coming off a fairly average season in a position we are pretty stocked for in terms of numbers

If we are gonna go for players they have to improve the XI and don't really see that in Tadic right now

IronHerb

MrsGrey said:

Of course, he could decide to sit it out to the last knockings of the transfer window, no matter how early we go... Batshuayi all over again?

I'm sure I read that Slav said after our long pursuits of Bacca, Lacazette and Batshuayi last summer we wouldn't go down the road of waiting and waiting for a deal to be done. If the deal was going nowhere we would move on to our next target.