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  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Yeoldhammer said:

    MrsGrey said:

    Yeoldhammer said:


    Man City are not going to get thrown out of Europe and will continue to breach FFP rules and just accept a fine.

    Transfer ban? Squad size reductions? We've seen then both imposed.

    It's no good having pots of money if you are aren't allowed to spend it. And these sanctions are, arguably, more effective on the rich clubs than fines (which they can more easily afford to pay).

    Sanctions can also include banning any increase in player wages. Again, making it harder for them to recruit.
    And what exactly has it done to Man City ? they just won a domestic treble ? they don't care.
    So you want FFP sanctions to include 'thou shalt be disqualified from winning anything'?
  • stevesteve
    :hmm: silly me thinking we had signed someone instead its all about Newcastle should have known better :biggrin:
  • LukerzLukerz
    Obiang £10m
    Cresswell £15m
    Hernandez £12m
    Pérez £5m

    £42m, added to the rumoured £30m budget. That’s another £70m before we sell any big name players.

    I think all that is achievable for those four.
  • alderzalderz
    In what topsy turvy world does Cresswell cost more than Chicarito?!
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I read it was £2m for Perez to Alaves.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    MrsGrey said:

    Yeoldhammer said:

    MrsGrey said:

    Yeoldhammer said:


    Man City are not going to get thrown out of Europe and will continue to breach FFP rules and just accept a fine.

    Transfer ban? Squad size reductions? We've seen then both imposed.

    It's no good having pots of money if you are aren't allowed to spend it. And these sanctions are, arguably, more effective on the rich clubs than fines (which they can more easily afford to pay).

    Sanctions can also include banning any increase in player wages. Again, making it harder for them to recruit.
    And what exactly has it done to Man City ? they just won a domestic treble ? they don't care.
    So you want FFP sanctions to include 'thou shalt be disqualified from winning anything'?
    I'm illustrating my point that it doesn't mean anything for City, if they are that far ahead that they can break the rules consistently and the punishment dealt to them has done nothing to set them back, then the punishment clearly isn't affecting anything they do. They have in essence used the extra advantage to take a mile and being hit with a fine whilst keeping their extra mile advantage. The fine doesn't rebalance anything it just lines the pockets of UEFA and The FA.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    The fines are redistributed to other clubs.

    https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/protecting-the-game/club-licensing-and-financial-fair-play/news/newsid=2526586.html
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    alderz said:

    In what topsy turvy world does Cresswell cost more than Chicarito?!

    I think we'd do well to get £8m for Cresswell.

    We'll make a loss on Hernadez, if we sell, but should get around £10m.

    Obiang and Perez will go for less than Lukerz's valuations, too.

    So if we ship those four I think we'll only get £25-27m tops.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Football Insider (whoever they are) says that Everton have enquired about Cresswell as a replacement for Leighton Baines and we've asked for £8m.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    The Sun reporting that Fernandes is going to Mainz for £8m
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    It’s not just Man City. Didn’t Wolves lose £1m a week in their promotion season? On top of the £23m loss the year before. Effectively buying themselves a fast track pass to the premier league. And immediately shelling £100m once there. Were they punished or adversely affected at all? Not from what I can see. Maybe the rules themselves are flawed. There seems little or no disincentive for the likes of wolves to do what they have done
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    Didn’t Wolves lose £1m a week in their promotion season?

    I don't know. Did they?
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    On top of the £23m loss the year before.

    Is that figure taken from their published accounts for that period?

    If you want to argue that FFP rules aren't being enforced, then you first have to establish that they've been breached. Bear in mind that the losses clubs are permitted to post are over a 3yr period. Also, promotion to the PL will bring in vastly more sums of money from TV broadcasting revenues alone, never mind other income - so spending will automatically increase.


    If you want to argue that the FFP rules are not restrictive enough because they haven't stopped Wolves spending to improve themselves, you also have to consider how much is down to spend and how much is down to savviness and good management. Look at Fulham - they spent lots, but it didn't do them much good.

    I don't think it is right to look at 1 club that (arguably) spent wisely, and reaped the benefits, and say 'it's not fair, we need the rules to stop them'.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Not for nothing, but what have Citeh been found guilty of re: FFP? Isn't the latest stuff 'alleged'?
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Mrs G

    Figures directly from Wolves’ website 5th March. So it would be safe to say they are believable

    And give that they themselves put this down to transfer fees, wages, etc, yes I do fully stand by my view that they have bought themselves a fast track to the Prem.

  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    Just seen us linked to Shaqiri at Liverpool for £22.5 Mio in the Metro :hmm:
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Pearces_Left_Foot said:

    Just seen us linked to Shaqiri at Liverpool for £22.5 Mio in the Metro :hmm:

    Please NO !!!!! Not good enough imo
  • LukerzLukerz
    Cresswell is a proven PL left-back. He is not yet 30. No way will we only get £8m. Maybe £15m was generous but we will certainly get around the £12m mark. Guaranteed, IMO.

    Obiang will go for more than we paid (we paid £5m). Hernandez cost £16m, we will make a loss but he is a proven PL striker who scores goals.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Tottenham have made a bid of about 60m euros (£53m) for Real Betis midfielder Giovani Lo Celso.

    But Lo Celso has a 100m euro (£88m) release clause and it is understood Betis want to sell him for a fee closer to that amount.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48433820


    Levy does this a lot, yet people still slate Sully when he tries it.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    Tottenham have made a bid of about 60m euros (£53m) for Real Betis midfielder Giovani Lo Celso.

    But Lo Celso has a 100m euro (£88m) release clause and it is understood Betis want to sell him for a fee closer to that amount.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48433820


    Levy does this a lot, yet people still slate Sully when he tries it.
    And lets hold our hands up, who has even heard of Lo Celso, at 1st I though it was the South African Swimmer Chad Le Clos.
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Cullen: “West Ham want me back for pre-season. All I can do is perform. There’s no point in talking off the pitch, you’ve just got to perform on the pitch when you can. I’ve enjoyed a good season at Charlton and hopefully I can go back to West Ham and hit the ground running.”
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Could be a good option...

    "I need to be in the Premier League."

    "If something arises that is the right thing for me, I'll have to seriously consider it."

    Jack Butland to @talkSPORTDrive on a possible move away from Stoke City.
  • McHammerMcHammer
    I think we will be lucky to get 8 for Cress.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Stoke will want £20m for him & we won’t pay that for a keeper who will be number 1 in a year or 2. We do need to be careful about who we sign though as Fab is 33. We need one for the future.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited May 2019
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    Mrs G

    Figures directly from Wolves’ website 5th March. So it would be safe to say they are believable



    I've just tried to look - what a dreadful website - how can anyone ever find anything?

    You get the 6 most recent articles, and if you want to go further back you have to 'load more' in batches of 6. No search box.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    edited May 2019
    :biggrin:
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    'Bury the bad news' comes to mind :lol:
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited May 2019
    Found it :phew:

    https://www.wolves.co.uk/news/club/20190305-headline-financial-information-for-201718/

    :ok:

    Figures as you say.

    So, let's see if they exceed the 3 year limit when the new accounts are submitted.

    You can't say whether or not FFP is working until we see what happens IF they breach it.

    Presumably you want caps on spending on an annual basis. But would this be justifiable and realistic? You have to allow some leeway for the clubs to vary their spending from year to year - high to rebuild an ageing squad and then not as much in subsequent year as it isn't needed?
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Mrs G

    Overall I just think there is a big problem. When many talk of the top aspiration as being “best of the rest” (and not just at West Ham), it just cannot be right.

    As for Wolves - turnover around £27m, loss of £50m. How on Earth?!! You cannot easily justify it - this isn’t a start up company after all. They basically took a massive financial gamble and it paid off (via promotion). What if it hadn’t? When it comes to promotion from the champ things are far from certain.
  • alderzalderz
    It’s a problem that you have to be an accountant and a PI to be able to find a team’s accounts. Things should be far more transparent
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Yep Alderz

    Even in our May 18 accounts we show a PROFIT on player disposals of almost £30m.

    Crikey? How did that happen? Because the Payet sale was the year before. I’m struggling to think of what could have comprised that?
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