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why do we need the EU to run OUR country. what next - european army, european police force etc etc. Why should their courts, parliament etc be superior to ours?
if other countries are better then ours then that is where people should live. I love GB and I want us to thrive in our own way.
it is also very wrong that they are trying to make it difficult for us to leave; I think they are worried that others will do the same. Time to get out and others will follow.
Just my opinion!!
More generally, their courts aren't 'superior to ours'. But if its an EU law that requires and interpretation or a judgement, the EU court has a role to play. Rightly, imo, so that the law is interpreted and applied consistently.
It is's a domestic UK law, then the EU courts have no jurisdiction at all. And our own courts make the decisions.
Seems fine to me.
We could have left last week, but chose not to. Where they lying on the ground holding round our ankles?
I think the backstop is an EU initiative.
The EU were always going to make it difficult for us to leave because they do not want to see any further exodus.
And the concrete reasons for staying in the EU are................?
For me it is that I am a citizen of Europe and I can travel, work, own property without problem. I feel privilaged to be in other European countries as a European citizen, if we leave I will feel like an outsider. I desperately hope that we get a second referendum and choose to stay.
If what you’re saying is you’d like to be a citizen of a federal state of Europe then that’s your choice but it’s not the same thing.
Another way of looking at it is that the 'no border between NI and Ireland' is a UK initiative - something the UK has invented and insisting on. The EU don't mind if there is, but are trying to accomodate the UK.
When 'getting back control of our borders' was such a motivating argument for so many who voted Leave.
From the couple of paragraphs I can see, I notce
Up to a third of fresh food grown on British farmsis discarded each year because... new research claims.
The team at Edinburgh University claims to have estimated the quantity of fruit and vegetables lost and emissions produced in the UK as a result of EU Commission controls and stores with a large market share
So, I can't accept that as evidence as (a) it's only 'estimates' and 'claims' and (b) it's in part due to supermarket decision, but it's not clear what part.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/3443343/EU-to-allow-sale-of-odd-shaped-fruit-and-vegetables.html
You said
"If things were absolutely 100% going swimmingly 17.4 million people wouldn`t have voted to leave."
You know as well as I do (although you'd never admit it), that 17.4 million people were conned into believing that the EU was the cause of the financial crash of 2008, subsequent Tory austerity measures, a million Turks were at the border and anything else Farage, Reet-Smugg and his band the ERG (if ever there was a misnomer) et al could think of.
If there had been a referendum prior to the 2008 financial crash do you really believe that Leave would've won.
It was just convenient for all the rabid anti-EU (insert epithet) to blame the EU for everything.
As far as the concrete reasons for remain, Whitehorse mentioned some of them.
But the idea of self-sufficiency ignores that we're all on a little rock in space and if we don't get our act together soon we won't be on it much longer.
You keep talking about co-operation and yet you want us out of a fantastic project which is trying to unite millions of people not by force but by choice and which was born out of the ashes of WW2 in an attempt for it never to happen again.
And you keep going on about Pyotr Alexeyevich Kropotkin, can you tell me what he actually achieved?
And btw Aslef, Grey and MrsGrey among others have been dismantling all the "vague" reasons that people voted to leave.
Now I need a beer. :biggrin: :ale:
And I know you shouldn't start a sentence with "And" :biggrin:
But if something is proven factually wrong, I think anyone who believes it is wilfully ignorant.
Saying the EU makes us throw away food because it doesn't meet size/shape regulations is on a par with saying I want to stay in the EU because when I get to 60 they'll give me a Harrods food hamper every month and 3 free holidays to an EU destination of my choice.
Both are untrue.
Articles can be 'easily dismissed' if one has no interest in the truth.
And believe me, I'd like to!
They make us do this, they make us do that .... every reason I've heard is just false.
On the other hand, if someone says they just don't want to be part of a group, they want to the UK to do things their own way without reference to a bigger group, they don't want to cooperate or compromise... well, that's fair enough.
It's not a point of view I agree with, but it's as valid as any other.
Yet, strangely, I hardy ever hear this put forward as a reason for voting Leave.
Instead I hear rubbish like 'if we leave we can have interest rates set by our own country', or 'I'm fed up of the European Court of Human Rights telling us what to do' or 'we'll be forced to adopt the euro' :doh:
Any proof of that?
Millions like me had our reasons for doing so and do not recognise most of the slurs aimed at us.
We had a referendum we said leave. We didn’t ask for a deal and certainly not the rubbish of ‘May’s’ Deal.
I’m just an ordinary bloke but if we are, as I feel we are, betrayed by the elite parliamentarians telling us ‘They’ know better than us! Beware!
I meant that before then there was very little to complain about the EU apart from frivolous matters like the ban on bent cucumbers.
However after 8 years of the subsequent austerity measures and all the anti-EU propaganda (Daily Fail, Express, Sun, Telegraph, UKIP etc.) the EU was an easy target for the protest vote.
imagelost said:
Burn tonight
Please explain your comment.
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Your recollection of Gina Miller as a meejah darling hardly fits with mine.
If memory serves, she was reviled by the usual suspects, and received death threats (not, I believe from the meejah...).