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  • I'm not dismissing the validity of anything. If you think that my saying the wife will collect it is sexist then that's up to you. I was just commenting on what was said to me and I have absolutely no idea why she said it because I can't see anything offensive whatsoever in what I said. My wife does like shopping and if I don't have to go then I'm fine with that.
    I've not said anything about touching women's bums so I don't see what that has anything to do with it. She claimed to find it offensive that I'd suggested my wife collect the item which in fact was for her in the first place.
  • Thorn, if you have quoted exactly what you told the shop assistant, then maybe it was the use of the words "send the wife" that upset the woman behind you.
    Nothing wrong with it, it's only an expression, but maybe she was looking to be offended.
  • Thorn, I don`t think any of us can accurately gauge the validity of the (non gender specific) persons complaint about your behaviour, tone and latent sexual aggressiveness until judgement has been passed by Lady Brady. Until judgement has been passed I think it would be wise for you to stay indoors for not only your own protection but for the protection and peace of mind of your local community. Far be it for me to pre-empt Lady Bradys judgement but imo you appear to walk a very fine line in your use of provocative language and I hope that this will be a lesson to you.
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    I miss the days when you could call out racism without someone getting offended, as if it being called out it worse than racism itself. Blooming PC brigade ;angry
  • This is tricky stuff...

    Maybe we should this topic to bed?
  • outcast ;ok

    Don't do the crime be racist if you can't do the time take being called racist.

    In the pre-snowflake generation, real men wore their labels with pride. ;biggrin
  • I’m going to change the topic.

    I’d like to go back to the cricket - I can’t believe that I haven’t even started my Christmas shopping and already England have lost the Ashes...
  • Are you referring to the Ladies team barracks? ;run
  • England are pitiful. They lack any fight and I just wish they would fly home now and save us anymore embarrassment.
  • But the World Cup hasn't started yet Preston. ;whistle
  • I'm not sure I will bother watching. I think my head will explode if we lose the opening game against Tunisia...hahaha
  • Thing is if the series was in England we’d win it as the coach said Australia won’t have us English players play club cricket over there so maybe we should stop them doing the same over here
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  • I think what Griezmann did was a poor choice and poor judgment. If he had dressed as a Globetrotter with the intention to offend then I'd be more than happy to slag him off.

    To clarify, I am a middle aged white man. Someone who has a racist father born within the sound of Bow bells. In fact, unless you're from the East End he doesnt like you.

    He even said I married a black woman to spite him.... I asked my sons mother and my wife plus a close friend (who are all black) for their thoughts.

    The consensus was that he was a famous fool for doing it and putting himself in that position to apologize. I'm good with that. I just dont like that he's had to apologize for being racist (when I dont think he had that intention).

    Now if he had to apologize for being a man showing poor judgment and choice, then I'd be cool with that.

    At the end of the day its not like I am sticking up for him. If hes fool enough to go on social media and post the photo then surely he'll expect a reaction. Perhaps hes just not a very smart individual?

    Perhaps also I should not have brought this to the site. Apologies for that as I should know better to bring a topic here that has potential to get out of hand
  • I was a big cricket fan between 1999 and 2006, went to Essex games at Lord's, the Oval, Chelmsford and Colchester, watched Essex and England on TV.

    Then I realised that my marriage was over and I started chasing after women.....
  • baz

    No reason to apologise.

    If a topic comes up, and people want to pursue it, the policy is to let it run, even if it might be 'controversial'.

    If it goes too far downhill we can always close it, but in this instance i think it allowed people to express their feelings/thoughts, and no bones broken.
  • Baz, agree, the chap should be apologising for being a bit dense, not a racist.
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    Im on an 80's revisit via YouTube listening to 5 star... So what do I know ;biggrin

    #let_me_be_the_one (I have no shame and I know it)
  • Did he apologise for being racist though? I thought he apologised for being insensitive and causing offence. I don’t think anyone has said he IS a racist, people have just said that it is racially insensitive.
  • He was accused of racism, he apologised. I think the perception would be that he apologised for racist behaviour. I can fully understand the offence caused by the picture, but the word racist is used too easily now (imo). The headline will never say "accused of being a bit of a wally" because that doesn`t sell. Like Baz, I`m not defending him, but dressing up as he did does not make him a racist, but that is the conclusion reached without any sensible discourse and any attempt to defend him will be pre-judged as indefensible and apologist.
  • Alders, I think when I made the comments I couldve chosen better wording. There's obviously a difference between being 'racially insensitive' and racist plus having to apologize for one or either thing. After my initial irritance, I just think he made a poor choice in posting on social media (when he shouldve really known it would cause a reaction as so many people follow big celebs and sports stars).



  • I don`t think there are any two ways about it, he was not accused of being "racially insensitive", but of directly being a racist, as the headlines below show:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=is+griezman+a+racist&oq=is+griezman+a+racist&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.6375j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Ill judged, yes, racist, not necessarily (imo)
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    Most of those are about racism or of the costume being racist. There’s a difference between that and him being racist.
  • Good point Outcast. A subtle difference and not one I`d picked up on. I am not going to word this correctly, but it`s the only way I can get my point across, I think the "racist card" is played too easily. I believe in absolute equality between humans (there should be no distinction beyond that) but I can`t stand, for want of a better expression, political correctness and the "liberal" belief in what is right, wrong and acceptable, and what should be "shut down".
  • It isn't "played" too much. We bite our tongues till they bleed because most of the time, it's not worth it, and anyway "political correctness" is used to shut down everything. All these little things come up in the media but most people don't talk much about the racism they experience because someone who's never been through it has always got some way to dismiss it. How can you get equality if the people losing from the current balance aren't allowed to point out what's wrong?

    When people moan about "political correctness" they're really just saying they want the version of "correct" to be their feelings not being in danger of getting hurt.
  • Outcast, I agree with everything you say and have not expressed myself particularly well. I know what I believe and know I`m right. ;biggrin ;wink

    I hate the fact that Jeremy Corbyn would be welcomed with open arms to espouse his views on most university campuses, but someone like Katie Hopkins would be no platformed. Just to clarify, I would tend to align myself with Corbyn rather than Hopkins politically, but it is the principle of shutting down Hopkins just because her views are not particularly de rigeur. I also hate the methods used by Antifa, but again would stand shoulder to shoulder with them in a two way fight with the KKK. Hard to explain, but a lot of "correctness" really bugs me. Racism, sexism, in fact any "ism" goes against pretty much all I believe in so we are in agreement there, I just think that a lot of "correctness" comes from fear of freedom of thought and a propensity to be outraged. I will add that I am also a middle aged white male and have never myself directly been racially abused so will never understand. I have, however, had first hand experience as three of my best friends were Asian and I also hung around with a couple of black kids, this was in Romford in the 70`s and 80`s so The NF and skinheads were pretty active, and yes we could all run fast.
  • I`m not going to do politics anymore, but as this is the random thread, and we are playing tonight, and it`s getting a little closer to Christmas, which I love, and I feel a little bit excited (doesn`t happen often). I`m going to play this ;wahoo



  • Didn’t want to start a new thread but does anyone else struggle to edit using an iPhone because when you tap into the thread to put the cursor where you want it to go it doesn’t work properly and goes somewhere else?
  • Yes, Baracks! When I’m typing a comment and i click somewhere further back within the comment, the page jumps and I have to go back to the comment (and the cursor isn’t where I had clicked on).
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