Summer 2017 Transfer: The final countdown and the fallout

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  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    And people wonder why we get referred to as a circus.

    Our chairman has just publicly hung our manager out to dry.
  • HamstewHamstew
    This club ;doh
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited September 2017
    Well done Sully. ;doh

    'We fully back our manager, but he didn't want him, him or him and is happy with everything at the moment'.

    'But we fully back him'.
  • HamstewHamstew
    edited September 2017
    So we had the chance to sign one of those 3 players and we didn't get any. Classic ;lol
  • FlorinRaducliousFlorinRaduclious
    Sliz - Of course, any of the outcomes could be the truth, we don't know, but the fact I couldn't find it on any 'official' places either for the club or him personally suggests to me that someone has made it up to stir and spread in the twittersphere. Mainly because I still presume and hope we will try to get this deal over the line in Jan, and if one of them directly lied against the other it would be hard for them to deal with each other. (And thanks for the response! ;ok )

    Regarding the medical, it does seem a bit odd. What is the official deal with the apres deadline signings? You had to send a form pre 11pm but could conclude the details of the deal after. Yet did sending the initial form guarantee one had to make the signing? As in it's just for finalising the minutae of the contract, however if a medical was needed and he failed we'd still have to make the signing because of the prior confirmation form? I do not know the rules, can anybody help me here??
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Tell you what though florin.....

    Someone is telling porkies and I don't know the SL owner or the twitter geezer

    But I do know the 3rd part of this puzzle

    ;lol
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    I'm not sure I believe Sanches and the other guy were 'offered' to Bilic. Suggested maybe but I don't think they were done deals in the way he implies. By all accounts Sanches and Bayern were apparently keen on Swansea.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Why on earth does Sully feel the need to publicly (on the club website) name two players who he says were offered to him before they went elsewhere. What does he think it will achieve?

    ;doh
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    I think the two players were touted to us along with several other clubs otherwise why bother name them. If bilic turned them down then the squad is down to him. The chairman should have not released the statement it does nothing but antagonise people.
  • LukerzLukerz
    It is a statement purely to say 'don't be angry at us, the Carvahlo deal was Sporting's fault and the fact we signed no alternative, well that was the managers fault.'
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited September 2017
    thornburyiron said:

    Mrs G he didn't have to have the medical before 11 pm but merely sign a form saying he's agreeable to joining West Ham. The medical could take place after that as long as it was complete and all the paperwork done before 1am. Chelsea and Leicester were doing this last night.

    I know. I'm saying that what Sullivan claims is, imo, a plausible scenario.

    (that wasn't possible within the available time between Sporting acceded and the ultimate deadline to arrange and conduct a thorough medical on the player)


    (I'm not saying that it's true because I don't know the facts. )

    As for Chelsea and Leicester, they started on those 'late deals' rather earlier, and the players weren't away on international duty, so it isn't really comparable.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited September 2017
    I think a best XI would look something like this:

    Hart
    Zabaleta - Reid - Ogbonna
    Byram - Obiang - Kouyate - Masuaku
    Antonio - Lanzini
    Chicharito

    Adrian, Collins, Cresswell, Noble, Arnautovic, Ayew, Sakho

    Just don't see 4-2-3-1, which looks like the likely selection, working with the current midfield options. For me we either have to go with all of Nobes, Kouyate and Obiang in the middle or we compensate for our midfield with a back 3/5.

    We aren't good enough centrally to go with a 3 of Antonio, Lanzini and Arnautovic behind Chicharito IMO. But I suspect that's what Bilic wants.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited September 2017
    So we currently have a squad of 22 and that includes Makasi and Henry. Neither of whom are likely to ever be involved in a match day 18.

    So a squad of 20 senior pros. Which is at 18 for the minute due to Carroll's fitness and Arnie's ban.

    Bare bones.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    I swear they only open their mouths to change feet ;doh
  • HamstewHamstew
    At least some more of our youth will get games.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I wonder if Sully is using rhetoric which he knows will wind Slav up.

    I can imagine Sully's dream scenario being Slav and Rafa simultaneously resigning...
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Lukerz said:

    So we currently have a squad of 22 and that includes Makasi and Henry. Neither of whom are likely to ever be involved in a match day 18.

    So a squad of 20 senior pros. Which is at 18 for the minute due to Carroll's fitness and Arnie's ban.

    Bare bones.

    We have a squad of 23 that doesn't include Makasi and Henry.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    #maths
  • LukerzLukerz
    IronHerb said:

    Lukerz said:

    So we currently have a squad of 22 and that includes Makasi and Henry. Neither of whom are likely to ever be involved in a match day 18.

    So a squad of 20 senior pros. Which is at 18 for the minute due to Carroll's fitness and Arnie's ban.

    Bare bones.

    We have a squad of 23 that doesn't include Makasi and Henry.
    I count 22 including Henry and Makasi.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited September 2017
    Antonio, Michail Gregory*
    Arnautovic, Marko
    Ayew, Andre Morgan Rami
    Byram, Samuel Mark*
    Carroll, Andrew Thomas*
    Collins, James Michael*
    Cresswell, Aaron*
    Fonte, Jose Miguel
    Hart, Charles Joseph John*
    Henry, Doneil Jor-Dee Ashley
    Hernandez Balcazar, Javier
    Kouyate, Cheikhou
    Lanzini, Manuel
    Makasi, Kusu Moses*
    Masuaku Kawela, Fuka-Arthur
    Noble, Mark James*
    Obiang Avomo, Pedro Mba
    Ogbonna, Obinze Angelo
    Reid, Winston Wiremu
    Sakho, Diafra
    San Miguel Del Castillo, Adrian
    Zabaleta Girod, Pablo Javier

    = 22, 20 if you remove the two who will never get games.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Hart (HG)
    Adrian

    Zabaleta
    Byram (HG)
    Reid
    Ogbonna
    Fonte
    Collins (HG)
    Henry
    Cresswell (HG)
    Masuaka

    Noble (HG)
    Kouyate
    Obiang
    Makasi (HG)

    Antonio (HG)
    Ayew
    Lanzini
    Arnautovic

    Hernandez
    Carroll (HG)
    Sakho

    8 HG players
    14 Foreign players
    22 overall not including Fernandes, Rice, Martinez etc who are u21
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    edited September 2017
    Balcazar. I like that.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Beat me to it

    I think the midfield and attacking midfielders look the lightest in terms of numbers

    This does however open up the opportunity for youth

    Rice has been given a chance, Fernandes has been used a lot also year, the club seem to rate Martinez as highly as we do and Nathan Holland shone during preseason and has kept this form up for the u23s

    I'm not thrilled about it but this crop of youth is as good as it's been for a good while and you want to think they can do a decent job

    Koeman and Pochettino get a lot of credit for utilising their youth players so hopefully Bilic can do the same (although after last year I have reservations about Bilic playing youth)
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    What about that 18 year old we've just signed in this window?
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited September 2017
    Oh yeah, forgot Fernandes. He's under the age. So 21 then. Plus Makasi, Henry, Rice and Martinez. None of whom are gonna be involved too much.

    Martinez and Rice aren't senior pros though. Don't expect them to muster 10 games between them. Rice was used to highlight to the board we needed a new CM, IMO.

    But the point I was making is we had an additional 5 places available to fill, and didn't. So included Makasi and Henry just to boost it a bit.

    The squad is thin.
  • MoojorMoojor
    So the bloke who was at the time playing for his national side wasn't around to be checked he was available to play and be fit?
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Lukerz tbf i think everyone knows the squad is thin

    Think that's why everyone is upset with BOTH the board and the manager

    The thing is given Bilic has a history of turning down moves (see iheanacho, hogan) it wouldn't shock me if he turned down the psg guy and Sanchez, 2 players that would easily enhance this side.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited September 2017
    True.

    But if he has a number one target, Carvalho, and then the board don't get it done for whatever reason, and they say 'what about these two instead', he has every right to say, 'no, I wanted Carvalho, if we can't sign him then don't bother'.

    He'd obviously rather not sign inferior alternatives and prefer to stick to what he knows.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    I guess that's true but at the same time if he thought that the position was so needed he was willing to spend £35mil on then he must've thought of the idea of a stop gap like a loan deal

    He also must know that his job is under threat so should take what he can get

    Also for a comparison, this is City's squad who many think have the strongest squad and are favorites for the title

    Aguero Del Castillo, Sergio
    Bravo Munoz, Claudio Andres
    Da Silva, Danilo Luiz
    De Bruyne, Kevin
    Delph, Fabian*
    Gundogan, Ilkay
    Jimenez Silva, David Josue
    Kompany, Vincent
    Luiz Roza, Fernando
    Mangala, Eliaquim
    Mendy, Benjamin
    Mota Veiga de Carvalho E Silva, Bernardo
    Otamendi, Nicolas
    Santana de Moraes, Ederson
    Sterling, Raheem Shaquille*
    Stones, John*
    Toure, Gnegneri Yaya
    Walker, Kyle Andrew*

    I count that at 18 with various youth prospects
    I know there quality is way beyond ours but think you can use smaller squads and still succeed
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I don't think Henry is in the 1st team squad and he is recovering from an ACL.
    Haksabanovic and Rice are in the squad.
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