Summer 2017 Transfer: The final countdown and the fallout

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

It just shows Merse is even dumber than Gale. Which is going some.

claretandbluesky

It's always hard to know what really went on, was Carvalho a reality that we got messed about on and quite rightly refused ever increasing demands or do our owners tend to always have a big venture that never quite gets across the line for some reason to provide an appearance of intent which isn't really there, I certainly don't know the answer to that one.

Either way it's been a decent window without instilling a genuine sense of enthusiasm that we are about to make the leap into genuine top 8 contenders. I think on reflection we may have paid a little to much for Arto, but time will tell, I would likely have kept Fergouli as a squad player as we didn't add anyone late. If Sakho wanted to go I would have liked to get it sorted and bring in someone else to replace as he is likely to sulk or get injured and providing we had a replacement I would have happily let him go.

I feel that we will either put a few results together now and move up the table or Slav will come under quick pressure and may even find his new signings are of the character that will create a rather fractious dressing room, resulting in an environment in which he finds his job hard. He may also find a Mark Noble problem in that if he doesn't start will he back Slav in any power struggle? Mark will clearly have a supporters and could be central to the managers ability to manage, a little how people always imagined John Terry's role at Chelsea, he was so influential that the manager needed him which likely resulted in him playing a good season or two longer than his current form ever warranted.

Pearces_Left_Foot

Hammex you said :-

That's where the problem lie's. To win, you need to score goals, and we havn't
got a decent fit striker, capable to do that on a regular basis.

Chicarito is more than decent and is fit and will score on a regular basis ;goal

OldCastleSwift

Ok, so now the dust has settled, until January, and assuming everyone is fit, I would go with:

Hart
Reid Collins Ogbonna
Byram Obiang Kouyate Cresswell
Lanzini Antonio
Hernandez

Adrian, Zabaleta, Rice, Noble, Arnautovic, Carroll, Martinez

That is a pretty solid match day squad. No excuses from anyone now. The bed is made.

IronHerb

Yeoldhammer said:

If he is happy with what he is got amounting to 10 goals conceded in 3 games he isn't fit to be a manager

But yeold, Slav is looking at a season long view and not a 3 game view, unlike your good self.

Pearces_Left_Foot

OCS- I agree its a mid table Prem League squad now its time to show it , I think there are plenty of teams with worse squads than us. Brighton have no fit strikers , Newcastle squad looks thin, Palace spent £26m to stay in the same place with M Sakho . I think we all feel its a case of what could have been with a few more signings but we have a better first 11 than last year.

alderz

Hammerex said:

That's where the problem lie's. To win, you need to score goals, and we havn't got a decent fit striker, capable to do that on a regular basis.

Is that not Hernandez?

SuzanneClaret

I would have thought so.

alderz

OCS ;ok

And in that 18 you haven't even got Fonte, Masuaku, Fernades, Ayew or Sakho. And then you have youngsters like Samuelsen, Haksabanovic and Holland who are supposedly pushing for the first team.

Am I completely happy with the squad? No.

But we are pretty ok in most areas.

Hamstew

SuzanneClaret said:

Oh and Hamstew

I ain't no mug for buying a season ticket! What I am is a long term supporter who puts her hard earned were her mouth is.

I'll turn up and support my football club as I have done for the last 40 years regardless of what goes on during a transfer window, who the manager is and weather or not Diafra Sakho is a spoilt little child who needs a reality check.

WHTID ;scarf

Suz didn't mean to imply you or anyone is a mug. If I could afford one or get the time I would get one too. More that the board are treating us like them as they know the fans will always go. ;ok

Pearces_Left_Foot

To be honest out off the players who left I am not really sure we are going to miss any of them ;hmm

SuzanneClaret

;ok fair enough Hammy.

Hamstew

Slav just read your comment ;ok

Yeoldhammer

IronHerb said:

Yeoldhammer said:

If he is happy with what he is got amounting to 10 goals conceded in 3 games he isn't fit to be a manager

But yeold, Slav is looking at a season long view and not a 3 game view, unlike your good self.

No good use if he gets fired after 10 games though is it.

Hamstew

Im quite angry about the whole thing. Think im gonna stay away for a bit ;lol

SuzanneClaret

No need to stay away because you are cross.

Hamstew

I know. Shooting from the hip can get me in trouble though. ;fishslap

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Almost makes it worse for slav that the squad does look pretty decent

Like a lot of us would like a new CB and a new DM

Our centre backs are Reid, Fonte, Ogbonna and Collins

Our centre mids are Noble, Obiang, Kouyate, Rice and Fernandes

I mean it's not like he's got no one!! Reid is a top 10 CB, Fonte was and Ogbonna has played for Juventus

Obiang was linked with Liverpool and Kouyate likewise is a top 10 CM

Hart
Zaba Reid Ogbonna Cressers
Obiang Kouyate
Antonio Lanzini Arnie
Hernandez

Adrian
Collins Fonte Rice
Byram Noble Fernandes Masuaka
Ayew Carroll Sakho

2 pretty strong looking sides imo if he can't get some results it's down to him

alderz

I think we'll beat Huddersfield and then people will feel a lot better, tbh

baracks_a_hammer

A scrappy 1-0 win even if it comes with a poor performance and courtesy of an own goal is all that is needed

Huttonhammer

I have a few questions that I would ask the two daves.
Where is the money from the sale of the ground. We are paying a small annual rent etc etc.
The tv money is also enormous we always keep hearing that but we never make a large signing etc.

They keep saying they wanted us to move to the New stadium as we need a bigger ground to move on but nothing they have done since moving to the new stadium leads anyone to believe that they have any intention of moving the club forwards as we are really on the same level as all the struggling teams in the Premier league.

To show the fans that the board do want the club to move forwards the board need to make a couple of expensive big name signings but by their actions over the last couple of seasons they really don't seem to have had their heart in it.

This window if you look at the outs and ins really hasn't done anything to move the club forward.

Huttonhammer

Champo

That second team is where the real issue lies.
Fonte and rice very questionable at the moment
Masuaku byram Noble and fernandes really weak in the Premier league.
Carroll and Sakho I don't really need to say anything there and as for Ayew he isn't the player I thought he would be.

So as back up that is a very weak squad.

However if we could put out your first team we could compete but that will only happen very rarely as has been seen over the last couple of seasons.

OldCastleSwift

In a perverse way I really want this to be true ;lol



Sporting: We want £40m

WHU: Will you accept £35m?

Sporting: No, it's £40m

WHU: £36m?

Sporting: No, we really won't accept anything less than £40m

WHU: ......... £25m...?

;lol

Hamstew

Read that earlier. Surely that can't be true ;lol

steve

of course its true after all its west ham remember ;doh

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Huttonhammer said:

I have a few questions that I would ask the two daves.
Where is the money from the sale of the ground. We are paying a small annual rent etc etc.
The tv money is also enormous we always keep hearing that but we never make a large signing etc.

They keep saying they wanted us to move to the New stadium as we need a bigger ground to move on but nothing they have done since moving to the new stadium leads anyone to believe that they have any intention of moving the club forwards

I don't have all the facts (who does?) and don't quote me on this ;biggrin but as I understand it

38m sale, 11m external bank debt, 15m LLDC, 8m westhamification of OS, 4m SuGo loans

TV money covers about 60-70% of the wages

They said that the move to the LS would over time try and help us compete in order to bridge the gap between us and the top 6?

;ok

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

SuzanneClaret said:

Sean W is usually more accurate than most I must say.

What did grind my gears though was the four away games where no assistance was offered to fans in terms of travel. At the very least the club could have put on free coaches to the games that should have been played at home.

Whilst those fans will gain later when those games are played at home, it was the fact it was four on the trott.

Spot on Suze and that was part of my point earlier in the week, regardless of the deal with LS185 or whoever, the fans had to travel, nearly a thousand of them to support the boys and got no offer of help, the latest group WHUISA also asked the club and again were refused anything, it's shocking really not even a goodwill gesture nothing, it no wonder so many fans are up in arms right now. The only real way is to speak with your feet, if the Dave's & Brady saw only 25-30k in the ground for PL games they'd certainly take notice.

Huttonhammer

Slav

Thanks for that.

I saw today that Forbes Value West Ham as at June 2017 as the 15 th most valuable club in the world it's very hard to see why we struggle so badly getting good players in and cannot spend as much as other clubs.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

;ok

Hutton just because we're the 15th most valuable or richest club, isn't the real story, it doesn't tell you how much cash you have on hand and we know that we've only been able to compete at the level we are now due to payday loan facilities giving us funds to make moves in the transfer market before the TV money and all the other income comes in, but fans don't want to hear that, they see 52k ST holders, 120m TV money and Forbes reports and think/believe we should be spending 50-100m net on transfers, doesn't work like that

Rewind 10 years ago we undermined a manager by selling two players for cash up front to pay our bills / wages as we were essentially skint

MrsGrey

I see that Ravel Morrison's search for his lost football career continues. Lazio have loaned him to a Mexican club.