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Arnautovic, Marko
Ayew, Andre Morgan Rami
Byram, Samuel Mark*
Carroll, Andrew Thomas*
Collins, James Michael*
Cresswell, Aaron*
Fonte, Jose Miguel
Hart, Charles Joseph John*
Henry, Doneil Jor-Dee Ashley
Hernandez Balcazar, Javier
Kouyate, Cheikhou
Lanzini, Manuel
Makasi, Kusu Moses*
Masuaku Kawela, Fuka-Arthur
Noble, Mark James*
Obiang Avomo, Pedro Mba
Ogbonna, Obinze Angelo
Reid, Winston Wiremu
Sakho, Diafra
San Miguel Del Castillo, Adrian
Zabaleta Girod, Pablo Javier
= 22, 20 if you remove the two who will never get games.
Adrian
Zabaleta
Byram (HG)
Reid
Ogbonna
Fonte
Collins (HG)
Henry
Cresswell (HG)
Masuaka
Noble (HG)
Kouyate
Obiang
Makasi (HG)
Antonio (HG)
Ayew
Lanzini
Arnautovic
Hernandez
Carroll (HG)
Sakho
8 HG players
14 Foreign players
22 overall not including Fernandes, Rice, Martinez etc who are u21
I think the midfield and attacking midfielders look the lightest in terms of numbers
This does however open up the opportunity for youth
Rice has been given a chance, Fernandes has been used a lot also year, the club seem to rate Martinez as highly as we do and Nathan Holland shone during preseason and has kept this form up for the u23s
I'm not thrilled about it but this crop of youth is as good as it's been for a good while and you want to think they can do a decent job
Koeman and Pochettino get a lot of credit for utilising their youth players so hopefully Bilic can do the same (although after last year I have reservations about Bilic playing youth)
Martinez and Rice aren't senior pros though. Don't expect them to muster 10 games between them. Rice was used to highlight to the board we needed a new CM, IMO.
But the point I was making is we had an additional 5 places available to fill, and didn't. So included Makasi and Henry just to boost it a bit.
The squad is thin.
Think that's why everyone is upset with BOTH the board and the manager
The thing is given Bilic has a history of turning down moves (see iheanacho, hogan) it wouldn't shock me if he turned down the psg guy and Sanchez, 2 players that would easily enhance this side.
But if he has a number one target, Carvalho, and then the board don't get it done for whatever reason, and they say 'what about these two instead', he has every right to say, 'no, I wanted Carvalho, if we can't sign him then don't bother'.
He'd obviously rather not sign inferior alternatives and prefer to stick to what he knows.
He also must know that his job is under threat so should take what he can get
Also for a comparison, this is City's squad who many think have the strongest squad and are favorites for the title
Aguero Del Castillo, Sergio
Bravo Munoz, Claudio Andres
Da Silva, Danilo Luiz
De Bruyne, Kevin
Delph, Fabian*
Gundogan, Ilkay
Jimenez Silva, David Josue
Kompany, Vincent
Luiz Roza, Fernando
Mangala, Eliaquim
Mendy, Benjamin
Mota Veiga de Carvalho E Silva, Bernardo
Otamendi, Nicolas
Santana de Moraes, Ederson
Sterling, Raheem Shaquille*
Stones, John*
Toure, Gnegneri Yaya
Walker, Kyle Andrew*
I count that at 18 with various youth prospects
I know there quality is way beyond ours but think you can use smaller squads and still succeed
Haksabanovic and Rice are in the squad.
We've seen Sullys side of the story regarding Carvalho, all we've seen from SL is media reports not actual quotes, be interesting if they do actually speak out about what went on? They've been reported that they never got a concrete bid.
Sully says that they came to us late on deadline day to accept our original offer and we couldn't make it happen and wouldn't spend that money on a player without a medical?
While I agree you wouldn't want to do that....
A) can't you sign a player and get paperwork submitted to PL subject to a medical? (Yes you can just found it)
C) you signed Andy Carroll when he had a known injury, no?
;hmm
When doing bullets using letters you need to put a space between "B" and ")" otherwise you end up with a cool dude emoji figure wearing sunglasses
;lol
On A, there's still a deadline, even if it gves you a little bit longer.
B - you answered it yourself.
C - But he'd had a proper medical when we loaned him the year before, so they knew there were no underlying problems like a heart murmur, or scar tissue on muscular injuries etc. And he'd been under medical supervision at the club for the ongoing injury, so medical-wise, the club had all the relevant info.
With Carvalho, the situation is very different.
You can agree a deal subject to a medical
Whose to say what could've happened in a year with Carroll? You can develop stuff and as I said I know there's more to a medical than just current injuries.
;ok
I'm extremely frustrated with the club right now, they had a good start to the window, they put a manager in this position again and now the fanbase has turned on someone who was regarded as one of us (to a point). If he's involved in all of these shenanigans then he's too blame as well but right now we're about 2-3 injuries and/or suspensions from a really really difficult season.
I really hope he turns this round but I'm pretty much done with them
Surely 'clubs would want to get the medicals done before signing off on the paperwork otherwise it could be a risk' imply that if you register the paperwork withut a medical, the results of the (subsequent ) medical can't be used to void it?
I know we see often reported 'agreed subject to a medical' but that's usually at the earlier stage where a deal is agreed in principal but not officially signed until the medical results are satisfactory (eg Sakho to WBA).
I mean, in the scenario you are suggesting, a transfer could be agreed, signed, paperwork sent in... then 3 weeks afterwards, the player breaks a leg, club says ''Oh yeah, we've just done the medical and we don't want him any more....'
tbh I really can't see how, once the paperwork is in, a medical can be done at any time thereafter and its findings used to revoke an agreed transfer. The players registration has already been transferred to the new club.
I don't know where you were quoting from? Is it 'official' or someone's interpretation of the rules? But I think you've got it wrong.
;hmm
Unless sporting accepted the fee a few minutes before 11 I find it odd that they and Carvalho couldn't sign the sheet and fax it to Sully to sign and get it in. That would give them 2 hours to complete the formal paperwork. Carvalho could have the medical next week sometime or even at the Portuguese training camp. If we don't like it, it's called off. The Ox had his done at the England camp.
I still don't get the "they accepted our original offer" bit as I thought we'd upped it a couple if times.
Who owns the player's registration after 1am?
;hmm Doesn't sound right. I still think it means that the Deal Sheet can go in by 11pm (or whatever the window deadline happens to be) to buy you a couple of extra hours of time to sort out other stuff, but that what's done by 1pm stays done. So in WHs case, if they won't take Carvalho without a medical, they'd have had until 1 to get it done and the final papers submitted. (I'm not even sure you can back out of the deal between 11pm and 1am. I'd like to see something official about this rather than other people's interpretations and explanations. It's complicated, clearly, so I don't assume some other bod has any better grasp of it than we do.)
Of course you can do a medical after that, or even not at all. I'm not disagreeing with you on that. BUT, I believe that all the risk is on the buying club, as there's no way back.
Once a player's registration is transferred to a new club, it can't be transferred again until the next transfer window opens. And if it isn't transferred, it can't be, after the transfer widow shuts.
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Yes, he could have had it done at the training camp - I think the difference is that Oxlade Chamberlain was at the England training camp, along with the English medical team. Carvalho was in a match stadium some distance from the Portuguese training camp, where in any case there was an unknown (to us) medical team. I can quite see how a buying club might want at least their own club doctor present to witness the medical. Due diligence and all that. And (if my interpretation is right that the deal is set in stone at 1am, medical or no medical), that if DS wanted the medical done before the transfer was finalised, it would have been not easy to achieve.
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re the explanation you set out, about the Deal Sheet etc - have you got a link to an official source? Is it in the Uefa rules? PL rules?
Supports my interpretation, that a deal can't be voided after the 1am final deadline.
West Ham owners - "Sporting are too hard to deal with"
Watford signed their LB
Leicester signed their captain
Brighton signed their RB.
Now I know being amongst the 3 worst at Bayern is probably broadly equivalent to being amongst the 3 best at West Ham, however, maybe this might be amongst the reasons Slav didn't want him?? ;hmm
In terms of central midfielders, I think we are fine for numbers, i.e. Obiang, Kouyate, Noble, Rice. Obviously, we were targeting Carvalho because he would have improved our first team, whereas Sanches wouldn't have.
Attacking midfielders, on the other hand, we are short.
My view for what it's worth. Slaven should have taken the offer of recruitments when it was made. Mr Sullivan has hung him out to dry, funny not, that Carvalho wasn't fit to sign but played for Portugal and how come Silva joined Leicester hours after the window closed but we couldn't process our deal? The window closing with no new players arriving at the end of it when we are crying out for some after the number who have left is frankly pathetic. The Blues fans were right about the owners based on what we have seen over the past few windows.
Slav appears to be a dead man walking, prepare for the Rafa revolution anyone?