barracks, there seems to be a feeling that it's like supermarket closing time - if you don't get in early all that's left is the 'reduced on their sell-by date items' but of course the transfer market isn't like that, as we know.
Our signings that didn't don't work out aren't a consequence of WHEN we sign them, imo.
The sequence of signings doesn't follow the pattern that he best get bought early and the dross get left.
West Ham are the latest club to express an interest in Inter Milan defender Andrea Ranocchia.
The 29-year-old, who spent the second half of last season on loan at Hull City, is being linked with a number of clubs in England.
Huddersfield, Newcastle United and West Brom are all said to be tracking the centre-back and Inter are ready to sell.
West Ham, according to Corriere dello Sport, are now in the mix too for Ranocchia as they look to bolster their squad for the new season.
Inter have reportedly informed clubs the Italian can be snapped up for around £5m and they will let him decide his own future if a number of clubs match the offer.
We've know all season we have needed a striker. We shouldn't have to rely on a last minute panic. We should be signing players ready to have a pre season and get to know his teammates and how the manager works. 'Fail to prepare, prepare to fail'
If Jose is doing his nut at the lack of signings and wants 2 players in by Sunday so they can be on the plane for their tour I am happy to think we aren't pushing our transfers through quickly enough. If someone can guarantee me that we will bring in two top strikers in time for them to be ready for August 12 then I will sit quietly in the corner and be patient.
By the way selling Feghouli for peanuts isn't going to assist in increasing the transfer kitty much is it especially as I keep ready I am being to unrealistic about the owners not spending enough to make as more competitive? ;ok
We've know all season we have needed a striker. We shouldn't have to rely on a last minute panic. We should be signing players ready to have a pre season and get to know his teammates and how the manager works.
I absolutely agree.
However, it is not a perfect world where everything we think 'should' happen can happen. If it was that easy every club would have their transfers done and dusted by the start of pre-season.
To say West ham are failing is just not realistic: how many clubs (even those with gazillions of pounds to spend, sexy managers, Champions League football to offer, and a strong likelihood of trophies and medals) get their targets in by the start of pre-season?
So to moan about West Ham not achieving their signings by 5 July is imo unjustified.
Aroune Kone. On a free. Available. PL experience. Probably not too expensive. No Pl clubs interested, some interest from Bolton. We could have got him by pre-season, affordable signing on fee.
Would that have made you happy - a warm body ready for pre-season?
Wasn't screaming for Ince, no. Just saying some other clubs are doing some business but some are doing none at all and some aren't doing any more than West Ham
Also there are lots of different factors involved such as who do we want, do their clubs want to sell them, if yes how much do they want, are we prepared or can we pay it. Finally would those players want to come to us. Likelihood is that the type of players we want would also be wanted by five or six other clubs and if those clubs are top half of the table then they are probably more attractive a proposition unless money is the prime motivation.
The only way we could have got success quicker is by offering over the odds. A £30m bid would have perhaps got giroud by now. Or perhaps an outrageous bid for a josh king. Fact is we can't operate like that. Everton are enjoying the spoils of the stones and impending Lukaku sales - so they can.
Similarly we could have caved in to a "worse than a loan" deal for iheanacho. If the terms of that deal makes mugs of us, the daves are quite right to walk away.
How many PL clubs in this window have signed strikers that you think we should have signed?
That, imo, is the only relevant criteria to judge the club on.
Mischievously Defoe or that player we bid for last summer but didn't get but is very close to signing for Arsenal now whats his name? There is two that immediately come to mind and you can throw in Tammy Abrahams, better option than Andre Gray who we are linked with, and Ramirez who was within our price bracket as we are not flushed with money I keep being told.
Wasn't screaming for Ince, no. Just saying some other clubs are doing some business but some are doing none at all and some aren't doing any more than West Ham
Fixed it for you. ;ok
Those 'some who aren't doing any more than West Ham' probably didn't have a shambles of a transfer window in Jan and last August. They also probably didn't leave their home to a new 60,000 stadium to 'move on to the next level' ;ok
Twist, Fortune the players you might want may be nowhere near the type of players Slav and the Daves want so castigating them for not signing them is pointless.
The good news is, with Valencia and Feghouli rumoured to be off, Nordtveit already off and Calleri released, we need at least four signings on top of the two strikers we need. Not to mention the doubts over Snodgrass and Sakho. So looking at 6-8 signings in just under 2 months.
I was answering Grey's question about who we should have signed and when you consider that one of the players I mentioned we went in BIG for last Summer it indicates that Slav and the Davids were keen. ;ok
Why are we letting Feghouli go especially at such a low price if it has been reported correctly?
Rarely got in team in front of Shane 'hardly ever scores but runs a lot' Long last season. Has had a career threatening injury and was out for a very long time. Meets the 'Premiership experience' criteria
Sounds perfect for us (alongside Callum Wilson of Bournemouth) ;whistle
There's nearly 2 months of the transfer window left.
The thing is a similar rhetoric was put out last year, and look who we ended up with.
I'm personally not panicking just yet, however I don't blame anyone out there who is...
I begin to panic the moment the transfer window opens. The panic begins to grow when I consider who we haven't been able to sign during the transfer window. Wild panic sets in when the season starts, the transfer window closes and I realise who we actually have signed.
I am surprised that there is a level of calm by most on here based on the evidence of the last three windows. After an exceptional transfer window after Slaven's arrival, we have dramatically declined in the level of player we have signed and the contribution these players have made to the squad.
Just to recap, our summer 2015 business was as follows: Randolph Obiang Payet Ogbonna Jenkinson Lanzini Antonio Jelavic Moses Song
We followed a good window with what generally follows; a good season. 7th place and a positive GD, over 60 points accumulated. Only thing that would've topped it woud've been winning one of the domestic cups. We were in Europe (albeit fortuitously).
Now correct me if I'm wrong, following that we moved home; the dream of Sullivan, Gold and Brady. This was not a move the fans campaigned for, this was a move they campaigned for and got, through the backing of the fans, after putting forward a case as to why this move was absolutely necessary for the future of the football club, its stability, its growth potential and all round standing in, not just domestic football, but potentially European football long term. What Karen Brady stated was "it is our duty to put out a team matching the stadium". All these words and actions came from the club hierarchy, not the supporters.
What has followed has been nothing short of a shambles in terms of player purchases (in hindsight). Now many will say "we signed players with reason for optimism last summer/these guys had international and European experience/came from big clubs". Maybe. What we know is that they didn't produce immediately. If we don't get results in our jobs, however results are judged, we don't get "well in hindsight it looked a good idea, just unlucky it didn't work out". What we get is something like "big mistake, hasn't worked, please don't repeat it and learn from your mistakes". So whatever the good intentions behind Nordtveit, Feghouli, Snodgrass, Zaza, Calleri and Fletcher, the results were not there to back up the purchases. Then you have to consider the sales of two important first XI players from our successful 15/16 season for a combined fee of around £37m (Tomkins and Payet).
So I can completely understand, based on the evidence since the summer of 2015 (including Emenike, Byram, Snodgrass and Fonte), and particularly since we moved to the new ground, why there is concern amongst some and I don't think it is fair to imply those fears are stupid or dramatic. They are based on IMO three pretty below par transfers windows given the strides the club has made on the pitch and off.
At the moment, we are coming to the end of week 1 in July, and we sit at one arrival (32 year old and a free) and several first team departures from the squad that kicked off last season, with more looking like following.
The owners, of course, can put this right over the next 8/9 weeks and I hope they do. There is plenty of time and I will wait until September before judging the window.
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I'm personally not panicking just yet, however I don't blame anyone out there who is...
Our signings that didn't don't work out aren't a consequence of WHEN we sign them, imo.
The sequence of signings doesn't follow the pattern that he best get bought early and the dross get left.
jorderz ;ok
West Ham are the latest club to express an interest in Inter Milan defender Andrea Ranocchia.
The 29-year-old, who spent the second half of last season on loan at Hull City, is being linked with a number of clubs in England.
Huddersfield, Newcastle United and West Brom are all said to be tracking the centre-back and Inter are ready to sell.
West Ham, according to Corriere dello Sport, are now in the mix too for Ranocchia as they look to bolster their squad for the new season.
Inter have reportedly informed clubs the Italian can be snapped up for around £5m and they will let him decide his own future if a number of clubs match the offer.
We should be signing players ready to have a pre season and get to know his teammates and how the manager works.
'Fail to prepare, prepare to fail'
Huddersfield, Brighton and Newcastle probably need to buy 6 or 7 players apiece, we don't.
By the way selling Feghouli for peanuts isn't going to assist in increasing the transfer kitty much is it especially as I keep ready I am being to unrealistic about the owners not spending enough to make as more competitive? ;ok
However, it is not a perfect world where everything we think 'should' happen can happen. If it was that easy every club would have their transfers done and dusted by the start of pre-season.
To say West ham are failing is just not realistic: how many clubs (even those with gazillions of pounds to spend, sexy managers, Champions League football to offer, and a strong likelihood of trophies and medals) get their targets in by the start of pre-season?
So to moan about West Ham not achieving their signings by 5 July is imo unjustified.
How many PL clubs in this window have signed strikers that you think we should have signed?
That, imo, is the only relevant criteria to judge the club on.
Would that have made you happy - a warm body ready for pre-season?
Similarly we could have caved in to a "worse than a loan" deal for iheanacho. If the terms of that deal makes mugs of us, the daves are quite right to walk away.
They also probably didn't leave their home to a new 60,000 stadium to 'move on to the next level' ;ok
I was answering Grey's question about who we should have signed and when you consider that one of the players I mentioned we went in BIG for last Summer it indicates that Slav and the Davids were keen. ;ok
Why are we letting Feghouli go especially at such a low price if it has been reported correctly?
Rarely got in team in front of Shane 'hardly ever scores but runs a lot' Long last season.
Has had a career threatening injury and was out for a very long time.
Meets the 'Premiership experience' criteria
Sounds perfect for us (alongside Callum Wilson of Bournemouth) ;whistle
That would be the Jay Rodriguez who, since AC came to us, has made fewer starts and scored fewer goals?
THAT Jay Rodriguez? You wish we had signed a player who plays less and scores less than AC?
Fortunes - OK, but we were never going to get Lacazette.
He actually scored a few for Hull when on loan and Everton I'm guessing will want him gone.
So we could make a move for 'crackin' Niasse' ;run
Just to recap, our summer 2015 business was as follows:
Randolph
Obiang
Payet
Ogbonna
Jenkinson
Lanzini
Antonio
Jelavic
Moses
Song
We followed a good window with what generally follows; a good season. 7th place and a positive GD, over 60 points accumulated. Only thing that would've topped it woud've been winning one of the domestic cups. We were in Europe (albeit fortuitously).
Now correct me if I'm wrong, following that we moved home; the dream of Sullivan, Gold and Brady. This was not a move the fans campaigned for, this was a move they campaigned for and got, through the backing of the fans, after putting forward a case as to why this move was absolutely necessary for the future of the football club, its stability, its growth potential and all round standing in, not just domestic football, but potentially European football long term. What Karen Brady stated was "it is our duty to put out a team matching the stadium". All these words and actions came from the club hierarchy, not the supporters.
What has followed has been nothing short of a shambles in terms of player purchases (in hindsight). Now many will say "we signed players with reason for optimism last summer/these guys had international and European experience/came from big clubs". Maybe. What we know is that they didn't produce immediately. If we don't get results in our jobs, however results are judged, we don't get "well in hindsight it looked a good idea, just unlucky it didn't work out". What we get is something like "big mistake, hasn't worked, please don't repeat it and learn from your mistakes". So whatever the good intentions behind Nordtveit, Feghouli, Snodgrass, Zaza, Calleri and Fletcher, the results were not there to back up the purchases. Then you have to consider the sales of two important first XI players from our successful 15/16 season for a combined fee of around £37m (Tomkins and Payet).
So I can completely understand, based on the evidence since the summer of 2015 (including Emenike, Byram, Snodgrass and Fonte), and particularly since we moved to the new ground, why there is concern amongst some and I don't think it is fair to imply those fears are stupid or dramatic. They are based on IMO three pretty below par transfers windows given the strides the club has made on the pitch and off.
At the moment, we are coming to the end of week 1 in July, and we sit at one arrival (32 year old and a free) and several first team departures from the squad that kicked off last season, with more looking like following.
The owners, of course, can put this right over the next 8/9 weeks and I hope they do. There is plenty of time and I will wait until September before judging the window.
For my part, what I don't get is the 'we haven't got players by the start of July - that's a disaster!' attitude.
Since you say you are happy to wait until September, I guess that's your view too.