Summer 2017 Transfer Speculation

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  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    Sky reporting we have put offer in on incheanho
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    This buyback thing has the hallmarks of being worse than a straight loan. All of the downsides of ownership and none of the upsides..

    ;hmm
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    It does guarantee you a decent- sized profit if the original club wants to buy him back. But agreed, mostly its a silly thing to agree to.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Jorderz,

    If he scores, say 15 odd goals for us and we are forced to say give him up for around £28m, in the current market that would be a pretty poor outcome for us (except for the goals bit of course!)
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    But what if he says, I don't want to go back there ???
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Then if he happens to be worth £50m, Man City would trigger their right and we would have to pay the difference to keep him I would have thought.. ;hmm
  • epsom_bubblesepsom_bubbles
    How is that different to third party ownership, Tevez style. We buy the player but don't really own him outright
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    epsom

    I think the definition of 3rd party ownership is that someone other than the club (or in addition to the club) owns the registration right of the player.

    I think buy back clauses are reasonably common on the continent, not that I think it would be a good thing.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Expat_Hammer said:

    But what if he says, I don't want to go back there ???

    I'd imagine that the clause would be in his contract, and if he signs the contract, he can't renege at a later date. Unless HE buys himself out of it.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Not quite the case (as we just found out on the Interwebby).

    There is a 'first refusal' option, or a buy back option that can be inserted into cotnracts.

    This seems to explain it quite well:

    http://www.danielgeey.com/football-transfers-buy-back-clauses-explained/

    Essentially, with the buy back clause, there is typically a minimum term (e.g. 2 years) after whcih for an agreed fee, the selling club have the contractual right to buy the player back. So, essentially, it is a kind of half-way house between a loan and a sale.
  • stevesteve
    ;hmm still don't like it
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited May 2017
    steve

    Me either, but it may be the only way clubs like ours can ever get promising players from 'top clubs'.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Grey

    ;ok

    We are not going to get a player we can get excited about without some sort of drawback/compromise
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    I'm not fussed if there's one in it. City will only want him back if he really stars for us in a Lukaku type of way. If Guardiola doesnt fancy him now I doubt he'll take a great interest in 2 years time plus change his team shape to accommodate.

    Teams like City will be interested in and capable of signing virtually anyone in any given transfer window. Even if Iheanacho scored 15 to 20 goals I reckon it'll be other clubs that'll ultimately be interested (whilst City look for an Aguero replacement elsewhere to go with Jesus).

    In short, he's got potential to be a great player but City are always in the market for the very top players (assume Bernard Silva will ultimately take David Silvas role in the side for example and in the short term be his substitute or replace if injured).

    Iheanacho isnt getting in the team in front of Sane, Aguero, Jesus, DeBruyne, Sterling and Silva(s) (plus anyone else they buy). It would make sense for him to move and he, at this moment, will only get week in/week out time at a lesser club like us.

    I'm more concerned he'll go to Everton or a continental club rather than worry about a buy back clause
  • LukerzLukerz
    He will only go to EFC if there's movement on Lukaku. Which is why moving early is important.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited May 2017
    Of course, he could decide to sit it out to the last knockings of the transfer window, no matter how early we go... Batshuayi all over again?
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Make the offer, if accepted throw terms at him or ask what he wants.
    Agree or disagree then move on.
  • HammerwombatHammerwombat
    Can we get Dimi back for a couple of games? Just so I can give him a Chinese burn and stamp on his toes.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    edited May 2017
    There's always the other side of the coin, too, that you can end up having to sell a player for less than their true value because he forces a move (ala Payet). At least with the buyback clause, there is a fixed return which would represent a profit and hopefully a good price based on his current potential.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Latest rumour is us making a bid for Tadic.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Good little player.... don't really see a need for him though

    He's 28 answer coming off a fairly average season in a position we are pretty stocked for in terms of numbers

    If we are gonna go for players they have to improve the XI and don't really see that in Tadic right now
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    MrsGrey said:

    Of course, he could decide to sit it out to the last knockings of the transfer window, no matter how early we go... Batshuayi all over again?

    I'm sure I read that Slav said after our long pursuits of Bacca, Lacazette and Batshuayi last summer we wouldn't go down the road of waiting and waiting for a deal to be done. If the deal was going nowhere we would move on to our next target.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Tadic plays the left side of a 4-2-3-1 better than Ayew.

    I think he fits our style of play more than Ayew does.

    Ihenacho

    Tadic Lanzini Antonio


    That would be a decent front 4.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    He disappears a lot imo.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    IronHerb said:

    He disappears a lot imo.

    Is that why they call him the magician

    ;run
  • McHammerMcHammer
    His favourite cake is a scone
    ;run ;run
  • LukerzLukerz
    I think Snodgrass is likely to go tbh. Any of the promoted clubs would be interested, as will sides like Burnley. Not sure he ever 'fit' here. And the beauty is we're still likely to break even on him if we sell him now, but less likely in 6 months if he has another underwhelming period. I'd move him on. We have options wide and are likely to bring in at least one more.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    herb, good! ;ok
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited May 2017
    Where has this clamour for Iheanacho come from? No real regular playing time, not proven and the service here would be nowhere near as good as at City. £25m?!
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    and who is and is in our price range. This is a risk worth taking looking at his goals to minutes, has pace, has strength. Has the attributes to be a very good striker looking on other teams forums it seems a general consensus of those who are linked.
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