Summer 2017 Transfer Speculation

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  • MrsGrey said:

    Negredo's stats

    negredo

    Hmm. Squakwa puts his shot accuracy at 46% and as 11th out of all strikers in the league (plus nine goals).

  • Another thing to remember about last year's dealings is that whilst Zaza didn't work out, we didn't sign a duff player.

    His inability to settle was, by his own admission, a 'mental' thing.

    He's undoubtedly a decent footballer. He's got 5 goals since going to Valencia.

    But he didn't do it for us in the PL which is what matters, he was and is a duff for West Ham. Not really bothered what he is doing for Valencia.
  • edited May 2017
    outcast, the ones I posted were from WhoScored? I don't know what are the differences in how they collect the stats compared to Squawka. Both usually pretty reputable. ;hmm

  • edited May 2017
    Yeold

    I obviously didn't make my point clear.

    The board (and to an extent, Slav) have been criticised for making poor signings.

    Zaza isn't a poor player; he just didn't work out for us, and that wasn't something anyone could have known about in advance.

    On the face of it, he looked a decent signing, and previously and subsequently has shown that he is a decent player although sadly not for us.

    So, I would argue that whilst he wasn't a successful signing, he wasn't a poor one.
  • Grey/Yeold
    Zaza may be good or poor depending on the service he is getting,
    and obviously he is not getting it at West Ham. If he was to get better service
    and support he may well have done much better in the scoring department.
  • Hammerex

    Well, Zaza, tbf, put the blame on himself, not us.

    He said he didn't settle in England/London, and found he couldn't commit to us in the way he would have liked and we would have needed.

    http://www.football-italia.net/96975/zaza-west-ham-my-fault
  • A new name enters the fold, Dries Mertens.

    To be fair if we want to be a Top 10 team then we do need a Belgium...

    http://www.sportbible.com/football/transfers-west-ham-have-30m-bid-rejected-for-serie-a-star-20170503

    Yes most definitely. He won't come anyway.

    ;weep

    Bats will want to play more due to the World Cup coming up in the Summer of 2018, but he might get that anyway at Chelsea due to the Champions League.
  • McHammer said:

    West Ham United want to sign Brazilian winger Jonathan Cafu, 25, who has a release clause of £10.2m in his contract with Bulgarian side Ludogorets Razgrad. (Daily Express)

    This is what we do well, in my opinion. At the moment, the best way we can get talent is by "doing a Tevez" -find a promising overseas talent, who wants a season in the PL to showcase themselves and set up their dream move to Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. I really there is as much chance of us "doing a Mascherano", where they get into a sulk when they realise nobody at the club speaks the lingo, but as a club, we can spend time searching for the likes of Jonathan Cafu, rather than spending the time going through the contract terms and deciding whether we need another 25m player for the bench at cup games.
  • bazWHUusa said:

    Buy Burger King from Bournemouth.

    Fixed it for you...

    If we could prise him away I'd be amazed! (and like it)
    fixed it for ya..
  • MrsGrey, Outcast

    Both Squawka and Whoscored use Opta data that is transmitted in the same way.

    For Negredo, both have 23 on target, 27 off target, 17 blocked. You exclude blocked shots for this calculation, and it's 46% accuracy.

    I'm not entirely sure where the confusion came from, but both sources are using the same data to say the same thing ;ok

    http://www.squawka.com/frequently-asked-questions
    https://www.whoscored.com/AboutUs
  • Does anyone else think its weird that Negredo is on loan from Valencia because he wasn't good enough (18 goals in 74 appearances) while Zaza couldn't score over here and is doing okay there?
  • Cheers alderz ;ok
  • Aslef - horses for courses ;ac
  • Agreed Brookings but I don't see it happening. Andy is probably pretty cosy picking up his 100k odd a week. Sakho you might be able to move on.

    But I agree its 2 spots in the squad that are never dependable and as a result will hold us back to moving forward whilst they are here.
  • Brookings

    Whilst I see arguments that they could/should be moved on, there are too many unlikely factors that would need to come to fruition, IMO - particularly for Andy Carroll.

    For example, we would need to want to sell. This would mean another club would need to bid an amount of money that the club are happy to accept. Let's assume there is a club out there that is happy to do that. Carroll would need to want to join that club. There's no point saying China, because (as ASLEF has regularly pointed out) the guy has just had a kid, and is living in Essex with his girlfriend who is as Essex as they come. They aren't going to want to go to China. So you need a club in England. Let's assume it's Newcastle or Palace (they're the only two people mention). Palace have Benteke, so it's unlikely they would want another expensive target man. So let's say Newcastle. So Newcastle will need to bid an amount that is acceptable for us, for an injury prone player. So they offer a pay as you play contract (as per your suggestion). Now, Andy Carroll is probably pretty aware that he gets injured a lot and misses a lot of games. He is also probably very aware that he gets paid a heck of a lot of money playing for West Ham. If you were Andy Carroll, would you want to accept a pay as you play deal? Because I wouldn't. I guess people might say "he would do it for his boyhood club", but this is the boyhood club who he has already left once already.

    To my mind, there is absolutely nowhere Andy Carroll is going to be next season other than at West Ham.

    I might be wrong, but I see absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise.
  • brookingsirons - I would happily say goodbye to both Sakho and Carroll, I just don't think that its realistic to expect it to happen. Neither of them are going to accept a move to a club on a pay-as-you-play contract, why should they when they're on full contracts with us?

    We're not going to get back much on Sakho because of his injury record and anyone who actually wants him will be happy to wait a season to get him on a free. Carroll's still got two years on his contract so even if he did agree to a mutual termination its going to be very expensive.

    The irony is that neither Carroll or Sakho missed a game through injury the season before they joined us although Carroll did spend a lot of time on the Liverpool bench as backup for Suarez.
  • The length of the contract is a head scratcher, but that has happened and there isn't much that can be done about that now.

    To be honest, the only way I can see Sakho actually going is on a free to somewhere just to get him off the books.
  • edited May 2017
    Unless he goes abroad I cant see us letting him go for free to another PL club if he only has 1 season left in his contract.

    I suspect Andy is with us until the end of his contract. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing if he becomes our "back up Striker" rather than our "first choice main striker" he is a Brilliant "Plan B" option and final 20 minute game man as an impact sub. Only bad thing is that he is on Big wages and since Payet leaving I imagine he is back to being the top earner at the club.
  • Just because you say only play him for 20mins as an impact sub it doesn't lessen his chances of getting injured at any moment.

    And given how his injuries can crop up at any moment - for example he can appear to play a full game and appear fine at the end of it only to then mysteriously sit out the next 3 or 4 - he can't really be a back up striker either.

    The Daves I suspect would rather give him away for no transfer fee rather than have him stay and perform either of these roles
  • The Daves aren't going to let Carroll walk on a free or pay up his wages over the 2 years to get him off the books. He will be here till his contract is up.

    I reckon playing 20 minutes instead of 90 minutes probably does lessen his chances of getting injured. Being a back up striker also means if he does get injured for 3 or 4 games then we have a First Choice Striker ! who would be playing anyway.
  • Definately need to get rid of valencia and Sakho, hopefully we can get close to £20mil for both which would be a good deal

    Carroll if there is a offer then we should take it, big wages and too injury prone

    Defoe makes too much sense not to happen, British, knows the club and gets goals....more than the current crop

    Batshuayi with a loan with option to buy could work

    King will probably be too expensive but it's gonna be expensive so let's just take a punt and get him in

    Don't want sturridge think he's a spent force, just isn't the same player if a few years ago his legs are well gone
  • Yeold

    The way it would work in his role as a back up is that he would be injured at the point where he is called on to deputise.

    No way are the daves gonna let someone be a bit part on 90k a week - my view is they'd rather get him off the payroll.
  • edited May 2017
    I don't see the Daves deciding to pay up the rest of his 2 year contract, not when he could be picked up by a rival club. I think he is here till the rest of his contract unless someone comes in with an offer for him.
  • ;hmm how much would we let him go for 5m 6m 10m not sure anyone would want to pay much with his injure record having said that 6m to get him off the books I would now take
  • Valencia also has two seasons left on his contract and again I don't see him going anywhere soon. The loan deal with Everton has an option to buy but the £14,5m price tag S&G stuck on him is unrealistic.

    He was in the starting XI for Everton against Chelsea but that was his first start since the FA Cup 3rd round and only his sixth start in total. Even if Lukaku does go for big bucks in the summer I don't see Koeman paying £14.5m for someone who's spent more time on the bench than the pitch.
  • Watching Valencia he is still too light and I can't see this changing, gets pushed off the ball far too easy.
  • Don't think we need a replacement for Noble think Cullen is exactly the same player as Noble just a little lightweight which comes with age

    Not sure if Feghouli is injured but haven't seen him often, think he may be off in the summer....think we'll keep Snodgrass just for his experience and form for Hull

    Will need a new CB if we are going to attack next season with 3 at the back

    Collins and Fonte are quite old so at any points their legs can go and then we have gaps in the squad

    As of right now I don't think Oxford is capable of playing CB in the prem....he's more of a DM but I think Burke can come in and do a job

    Also interested to see what happens now Adrian is back in the side and in good form....pretty sure he's out of contract this summer still
  • Don't forget we have Pedro to come back and tighten up the midfield and we should get Adrian signed up pronto.
  • You have to wonder if Adrian wants to now move back to Spain and maybe the club have known this for a while?
  • Baracks: that would be a pity. He's more entertaining than the gum-chewer. I'd like to keep them both.
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