outcast, the ones I posted were from WhoScored? I don't know what are the differences in how they collect the stats compared to Squawka. Both usually pretty reputable. ;hmm
Grey/Yeold Zaza may be good or poor depending on the service he is getting, and obviously he is not getting it at West Ham. If he was to get better service and support he may well have done much better in the scoring department.
West Ham United want to sign Brazilian winger Jonathan Cafu, 25, who has a release clause of £10.2m in his contract with Bulgarian side Ludogorets Razgrad. (Daily Express)
This is what we do well, in my opinion. At the moment, the best way we can get talent is by "doing a Tevez" -find a promising overseas talent, who wants a season in the PL to showcase themselves and set up their dream move to Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. I really there is as much chance of us "doing a Mascherano", where they get into a sulk when they realise nobody at the club speaks the lingo, but as a club, we can spend time searching for the likes of Jonathan Cafu, rather than spending the time going through the contract terms and deciding whether we need another 25m player for the bench at cup games.
Does anyone else think its weird that Negredo is on loan from Valencia because he wasn't good enough (18 goals in 74 appearances) while Zaza couldn't score over here and is doing okay there?
Whilst I see arguments that they could/should be moved on, there are too many unlikely factors that would need to come to fruition, IMO - particularly for Andy Carroll.
For example, we would need to want to sell. This would mean another club would need to bid an amount of money that the club are happy to accept. Let's assume there is a club out there that is happy to do that. Carroll would need to want to join that club. There's no point saying China, because (as ASLEF has regularly pointed out) the guy has just had a kid, and is living in Essex with his girlfriend who is as Essex as they come. They aren't going to want to go to China. So you need a club in England. Let's assume it's Newcastle or Palace (they're the only two people mention). Palace have Benteke, so it's unlikely they would want another expensive target man. So let's say Newcastle. So Newcastle will need to bid an amount that is acceptable for us, for an injury prone player. So they offer a pay as you play contract (as per your suggestion). Now, Andy Carroll is probably pretty aware that he gets injured a lot and misses a lot of games. He is also probably very aware that he gets paid a heck of a lot of money playing for West Ham. If you were Andy Carroll, would you want to accept a pay as you play deal? Because I wouldn't. I guess people might say "he would do it for his boyhood club", but this is the boyhood club who he has already left once already.
To my mind, there is absolutely nowhere Andy Carroll is going to be next season other than at West Ham.
I might be wrong, but I see absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise.
brookingsirons - I would happily say goodbye to both Sakho and Carroll, I just don't think that its realistic to expect it to happen. Neither of them are going to accept a move to a club on a pay-as-you-play contract, why should they when they're on full contracts with us?
We're not going to get back much on Sakho because of his injury record and anyone who actually wants him will be happy to wait a season to get him on a free. Carroll's still got two years on his contract so even if he did agree to a mutual termination its going to be very expensive.
The irony is that neither Carroll or Sakho missed a game through injury the season before they joined us although Carroll did spend a lot of time on the Liverpool bench as backup for Suarez.
Unless he goes abroad I cant see us letting him go for free to another PL club if he only has 1 season left in his contract.
I suspect Andy is with us until the end of his contract. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing if he becomes our "back up Striker" rather than our "first choice main striker" he is a Brilliant "Plan B" option and final 20 minute game man as an impact sub. Only bad thing is that he is on Big wages and since Payet leaving I imagine he is back to being the top earner at the club.
Just because you say only play him for 20mins as an impact sub it doesn't lessen his chances of getting injured at any moment.
And given how his injuries can crop up at any moment - for example he can appear to play a full game and appear fine at the end of it only to then mysteriously sit out the next 3 or 4 - he can't really be a back up striker either.
The Daves I suspect would rather give him away for no transfer fee rather than have him stay and perform either of these roles
The Daves aren't going to let Carroll walk on a free or pay up his wages over the 2 years to get him off the books. He will be here till his contract is up.
I reckon playing 20 minutes instead of 90 minutes probably does lessen his chances of getting injured. Being a back up striker also means if he does get injured for 3 or 4 games then we have a First Choice Striker ! who would be playing anyway.
I don't see the Daves deciding to pay up the rest of his 2 year contract, not when he could be picked up by a rival club. I think he is here till the rest of his contract unless someone comes in with an offer for him.
;hmm how much would we let him go for 5m 6m 10m not sure anyone would want to pay much with his injure record having said that 6m to get him off the books I would now take
Valencia also has two seasons left on his contract and again I don't see him going anywhere soon. The loan deal with Everton has an option to buy but the £14,5m price tag S&G stuck on him is unrealistic.
He was in the starting XI for Everton against Chelsea but that was his first start since the FA Cup 3rd round and only his sixth start in total. Even if Lukaku does go for big bucks in the summer I don't see Koeman paying £14.5m for someone who's spent more time on the bench than the pitch.
Don't think we need a replacement for Noble think Cullen is exactly the same player as Noble just a little lightweight which comes with age
Not sure if Feghouli is injured but haven't seen him often, think he may be off in the summer....think we'll keep Snodgrass just for his experience and form for Hull
Will need a new CB if we are going to attack next season with 3 at the back
Collins and Fonte are quite old so at any points their legs can go and then we have gaps in the squad
As of right now I don't think Oxford is capable of playing CB in the prem....he's more of a DM but I think Burke can come in and do a job
Also interested to see what happens now Adrian is back in the side and in good form....pretty sure he's out of contract this summer still
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I obviously didn't make my point clear.
The board (and to an extent, Slav) have been criticised for making poor signings.
Zaza isn't a poor player; he just didn't work out for us, and that wasn't something anyone could have known about in advance.
On the face of it, he looked a decent signing, and previously and subsequently has shown that he is a decent player although sadly not for us.
So, I would argue that whilst he wasn't a successful signing, he wasn't a poor one.
Zaza may be good or poor depending on the service he is getting,
and obviously he is not getting it at West Ham. If he was to get better service
and support he may well have done much better in the scoring department.
Well, Zaza, tbf, put the blame on himself, not us.
He said he didn't settle in England/London, and found he couldn't commit to us in the way he would have liked and we would have needed.
http://www.football-italia.net/96975/zaza-west-ham-my-fault
;weep
Bats will want to play more due to the World Cup coming up in the Summer of 2018, but he might get that anyway at Chelsea due to the Champions League.
Both Squawka and Whoscored use Opta data that is transmitted in the same way.
For Negredo, both have 23 on target, 27 off target, 17 blocked. You exclude blocked shots for this calculation, and it's 46% accuracy.
I'm not entirely sure where the confusion came from, but both sources are using the same data to say the same thing ;ok
http://www.squawka.com/frequently-asked-questions
https://www.whoscored.com/AboutUs
But I agree its 2 spots in the squad that are never dependable and as a result will hold us back to moving forward whilst they are here.
Whilst I see arguments that they could/should be moved on, there are too many unlikely factors that would need to come to fruition, IMO - particularly for Andy Carroll.
For example, we would need to want to sell. This would mean another club would need to bid an amount of money that the club are happy to accept. Let's assume there is a club out there that is happy to do that. Carroll would need to want to join that club. There's no point saying China, because (as ASLEF has regularly pointed out) the guy has just had a kid, and is living in Essex with his girlfriend who is as Essex as they come. They aren't going to want to go to China. So you need a club in England. Let's assume it's Newcastle or Palace (they're the only two people mention). Palace have Benteke, so it's unlikely they would want another expensive target man. So let's say Newcastle. So Newcastle will need to bid an amount that is acceptable for us, for an injury prone player. So they offer a pay as you play contract (as per your suggestion). Now, Andy Carroll is probably pretty aware that he gets injured a lot and misses a lot of games. He is also probably very aware that he gets paid a heck of a lot of money playing for West Ham. If you were Andy Carroll, would you want to accept a pay as you play deal? Because I wouldn't. I guess people might say "he would do it for his boyhood club", but this is the boyhood club who he has already left once already.
To my mind, there is absolutely nowhere Andy Carroll is going to be next season other than at West Ham.
I might be wrong, but I see absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise.
We're not going to get back much on Sakho because of his injury record and anyone who actually wants him will be happy to wait a season to get him on a free. Carroll's still got two years on his contract so even if he did agree to a mutual termination its going to be very expensive.
The irony is that neither Carroll or Sakho missed a game through injury the season before they joined us although Carroll did spend a lot of time on the Liverpool bench as backup for Suarez.
To be honest, the only way I can see Sakho actually going is on a free to somewhere just to get him off the books.
I suspect Andy is with us until the end of his contract. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing if he becomes our "back up Striker" rather than our "first choice main striker" he is a Brilliant "Plan B" option and final 20 minute game man as an impact sub. Only bad thing is that he is on Big wages and since Payet leaving I imagine he is back to being the top earner at the club.
And given how his injuries can crop up at any moment - for example he can appear to play a full game and appear fine at the end of it only to then mysteriously sit out the next 3 or 4 - he can't really be a back up striker either.
The Daves I suspect would rather give him away for no transfer fee rather than have him stay and perform either of these roles
I reckon playing 20 minutes instead of 90 minutes probably does lessen his chances of getting injured. Being a back up striker also means if he does get injured for 3 or 4 games then we have a First Choice Striker ! who would be playing anyway.
Carroll if there is a offer then we should take it, big wages and too injury prone
Defoe makes too much sense not to happen, British, knows the club and gets goals....more than the current crop
Batshuayi with a loan with option to buy could work
King will probably be too expensive but it's gonna be expensive so let's just take a punt and get him in
Don't want sturridge think he's a spent force, just isn't the same player if a few years ago his legs are well gone
The way it would work in his role as a back up is that he would be injured at the point where he is called on to deputise.
No way are the daves gonna let someone be a bit part on 90k a week - my view is they'd rather get him off the payroll.
He was in the starting XI for Everton against Chelsea but that was his first start since the FA Cup 3rd round and only his sixth start in total. Even if Lukaku does go for big bucks in the summer I don't see Koeman paying £14.5m for someone who's spent more time on the bench than the pitch.
Not sure if Feghouli is injured but haven't seen him often, think he may be off in the summer....think we'll keep Snodgrass just for his experience and form for Hull
Will need a new CB if we are going to attack next season with 3 at the back
Collins and Fonte are quite old so at any points their legs can go and then we have gaps in the squad
As of right now I don't think Oxford is capable of playing CB in the prem....he's more of a DM but I think Burke can come in and do a job
Also interested to see what happens now Adrian is back in the side and in good form....pretty sure he's out of contract this summer still