Dimi Payet; the Epilogue

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  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Baz according to all the reports that's what happened. He came back from the Euros he asked to go but also his agent wanted an extra £40k per week for him which was refused but he was given £1M as a loyalty bonus.
    If the problem was his family why didn't he just say that he was sorry but he really needs to be back in France or it is going to result in a family breakup and his kids would suffer.
    He has done this before so it couldn't have been family reasons the first time around and it poses the question of why no really big club has ever been interested in him.
  • LukerzLukerz
    I think there is some truth to the family element, especially as he spent the summer in his home country. He must have realised what he was missing.

    The proof will be in the pudding, though. He has to go to either PSG or Marseilles. Any other club and it just looks like a lie. Lets be honest, he could do so much better than the French league.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited January 2017
    sweepy ;ok On the way forward. They didn't insinuate it either, they explicitly stated it as their ambition (or aim).

    I don't yet share the view that we have gone 'so badly backwards'. I judge that sort of thing over a period of at least a season.


    thorn ;ok
  • sweepy23sweepy23
    Mrs G, a quick minute of searching and:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/17607436

    http://www.wharf.co.uk/sport/david-gold-says-stadium-move-10027188

    http://www.espnfc.co.uk/west-ham-united/story/2253303/west-ham-will-join-top-six-within-five-seasons-says-owner-david-sullivan

    I agree with you on the judging over the season. I just think the negative PR, the poor start at the OS, the league position, money wasted on transfers, other clubs attracting better players than us etc has made us go backwards. Wherever we finish, I believe the next 4 months will be an upward struggle.

    I hope your optimism/belief is correct and I am badly wrong.
    ;ok
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Mrs Grey - Kyle Bonn left high school in 2007 and graduated from Syracuse University, NY in 2011 with a degree in Broadcast Journalism so that makes him around 27 years old. After leaving university he worked on various American sports shows, mostly baseball but became a soccer correspondent for NBC in 2013.

    Give him a chance, he's new to this......
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Lukerz - Le Tissier could have done so much better than the Saints circa 1986-2002 and Brooking could have done better than us, not everyone is motivated by the same things.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    sweepy23 said:

    http://soccer.nbcsports.com/2017/01/13/west-ham-failed-dimitri-payet-by-not-building-around-him/

    Can't agree with that.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    That's were Payet was last weekend, the ceremonial kick off.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    edited January 2017
    I don't discount the fact that there may be 'mitigating circumstances' and reasons for him wanting to go back to France.

    But, for me at least, there is no excuse at all for refusing to play.

  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    I discount mitigating circumstances until they are proven to be more than 'Some bloke on Twitter or KUMB reckons...' ;ok
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Well yeah there is that... ;ok
  • LukerzLukerz
    Well there is a reason he wants out, and we'll probably never know why for certain.
  • MoojorMoojor
    I'll wait for Payet's agent to come out with a their full side of the story. Bilic has come out and said what has happened from West Ham's side.
    Anything over than an "official" response from Payet it worthless rumour (imo)
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Suzanne ;ok
    The way he has handled it whatever the circumstances are is what is causing the anger among us...
    I have a live show on here at moment called kick off, the pundits are always Leroy Rosenoir & Don Hutchinson, they both agree his attitude is " disgraceful " but disagree what to do with him and the situation , Don says get rid ( he reckons a valuation of 25 mill pounds ) & Leroy says he must not
    Be sold now....not even 2 ex hammers can agree what to do with him but both agreed about his disgraceful way of going about it..
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    ;ok
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    There's always two sides to a story and we do need to hear his side but as Luke says, we might never know.
  • HammerdublinHammerdublin
    edited January 2017
    Prior to the Man City FA cup match, Payet and Bilic agreed that the player would take no part in it. I don't know the reason, the player might have had a knock or something. Payet was named as a sub, though, but he was assured that he'd remain on the bench.

    At 4-0 down, Bilic all of a sudden orders Payet to sub Carroll raising a few eyebrows. Even the pundits on BT sport said that the logic behind that substitution was to show the player who was the boss. So now we understand a little better why the player doesn't want to play for Bilic any longer. #trustworthymanager
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Since when does any player get to say if he's in the team or not?
  • HammerdublinHammerdublin
    Since the start of the era of humane managers.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited January 2017
    Hammerdublin said:

    Prior to the Man City FA cup match, Payet and Bilic agreed that the player would take no part in it. I don't know the reason, the player might have had a knock or something. Payet was named as a sub, though, but he was assured that he'd remain on the bench.

    At 4-0 down, Bilic all of a sudden orders Payet to sub Carroll raising a few eyebrows. Even the pundits on BT sport said that the logic behind that substitution was to show the player who was the boss. So now we understand a little better why the player doesn't want to play for Bilic any longer. #trustworthymanager

    And if Bilic did that intentionally he was spot on to do so. ;ok
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Hammerdublin said:

    Prior to the Man City FA cup match, Payet and Bilic agreed that the player would take no part in it. I don't know the reason, the player might have had a knock or something. Payet was named as a sub, though, but he was assured that he'd remain on the bench.

    At 4-0 down, Bilic all of a sudden orders Payet to sub Carroll raising a few eyebrows. Even the pundits on BT sport said that the logic behind that substitution was to show the player who was the boss. So now we understand a little better why the player doesn't want to play for Bilic any longer. #trustworthymanager

    Where are you getting this from?
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    edited January 2017
    #madeupistan.co.uk
  • alderzalderz
    Apologies if this has already been said, but

    I don't care if his family situation is difficult, that's not the issue here. The issue is behaving like a spoilt brat.

    Tell the club you're homesick, tell them you want to leave, tell them you're unhappy. Don't refuse to play, don't down tools.

    If we were told he was unhappy due to his home life but still busted a gut for £125k a week then he would have (almost) all of our sympathies.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Hammerdublin said:

    Prior to the Man City FA cup match, Payet and Bilic agreed that the player would take no part in it. I don't know the reason, the player might have had a knock or something. Payet was named as a sub, though, but he was assured that he'd remain on the bench.

    1. How do you know this, because gossip also says Payet said he didn't want to play.
    Hammerdublin said:

    At 4-0 down, Bilic all of a sudden orders Payet to sub Carroll raising a few eyebrows. Even the pundits on BT sport said that the logic behind that substitution was to show the player who was the boss.

    2. That's their opinion. How on earth do they know why Bilic did it?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    billybondsbeard said:

    Couple of stories on KUMB reading back through some threads.
    Apparently Mrs P has had an affair, with her and the kids moving back to France over a month ago from the family home in Loughton.
    Also, a couple of weeks ago Payet was asked to play in a charity game in Europe for Reunion (his birth place ), and the club refused, he was only allowed to kick off.
    Apparently the current bust up started there with a huge row with Bilic about it.

    It's quite common for clubs to refuse permission for players to play in charity games. A bunch couldn't play in Noble's testimonial, as I recall.

  • HammerdublinHammerdublin
    edited January 2017
    Slaven_A_Laugh_Lukerz said:


    And if Bilic did that intentionally he was spot on to do so. ;ok

    Oh yes, if he wanted to send a terrible message to his own players and to all those who were thinking about signing for West Ham. I am not saying that Payet was right to do what he did but neither was Bilic who has zero man-management skills. Can't wait to see his back.

  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    edited January 2017
    As I said always two sides to a story, not defending Payets behaviour at all, but there will almost certainly other factors in this.

    Bilic really does love a fall out doesn't he? Again no problem with that, he's the boss and I like the fact he tends to take no rubbish, but man management is a big part of the game with these superstars on mega money.

    Whether we believe everything on forums or ITK or not, some of this stuff is fairly accurate to a large degree. There are some people who do have contacts within the club. Whether you choose to believe it or even value this information is entirely up to the individual.

    Sometimes the info will be duff and sometime it will of changed (ie transfers) and some of it will be spot on

    IMO
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    But where are you getting this information from? Have you got a link to the quotes from Payet / Bilic?
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    edited January 2017
    Slaven the only part of ur statement I can agree with is " not defending Payet's behavior "...
    Sadly the rest is what it is..
    I cannot see 1 player/ ex players giving him any credit/ cause for his behavior..

    It's all about HIM....
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Can't speak for hammerdublin but sometimes there aren't any links or quotes.

    ;ok
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