Dimi Payet; the Epilogue

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Can't speak for hammerdublin but sometimes there aren't any links or quotes.

;ok

Sorry, but this is ;lol

If there aren't any facts then it's just made up, yes? Either by him or somebody else?

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Can't speak for hammerdublin but sometimes there aren't any links or quotes.

;ok

Sorry, but this is ;lol

If there aren't any facts then it's just made up, yes? Either by him or somebody else?

You don't get the actual quotes, the full transcript you get the details/just of what has gone on, that is just the way it is

As I said nobody forces anyone to read or believe anything.

;ok

MrsGrey

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

You don't get the actual quotes, the full transcript you get the details/just of what has gone on, that is just the way it is

But then you/any user who is mentioning it in a discussion can at least give a link or source of where you read it, then we can all have a look and see if we think it sounds credible or not.
Then , as you say, its up to each individual if we believe it or not - but we can't just take YOUR word for it.

That's all I (personally speaking) am looking for when I ask for a source ;ok

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Can't speak for hammerdublin but sometimes there aren't any links or quotes.

;ok

Sorry, but this is ;lol

If there aren't any facts then it's just made up, yes? Either by him or somebody else?

You don't get the actual quotes, the full transcript you get the details/just of what has gone on, that is just the way it is

As I said nobody forces anyone to read or believe anything.

;ok

But where do the details come from? What's the source? What's their credentials?

I'm very confused by the desperation to defend Payet in the face of all the facts.

Bilic has given his version of events. Payet (and his agent) are seemingly silent.

Why are we believing the unsubstantiated musings of some bloke on Twitter or KUMB over our club and our manager?

SuzanneClaret

Hammerdublin if there was a very much disagree button I would have hit it very hard.

This can not be the managers fault.

MrsGrey

Vorse, sorry but despite having a good ;lol ;lol your picture had to go 'cos of the bad language.

Could you post a link instead?

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Jorderz I don't think anyone is defending Payet (I'm certainly not I already said yesterday what I thought he should've done) but there are nearly always two sides to the story that's all.

Still back Slav all the way, sounds like he's tried to bend over backwards to help Payet and no wonder he feels let down and angry

But to bring him on the last 10 minutes when he said he wouldn't would obviously not help the situation (if true)

NEoldiron

Vorse, genius ;lol

thornburyiron

If he genuinely said he wouldn't bring him on why the hell have him on the bench in the first place

MrsGrey

thorn ;ok

Doesn't really stack up, for me,

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

But to bring him on the last 10 minutes when he said he wouldn't would obviously not help the situation (if true)

But on what basis could we POSSIBLY say this is true?

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

jay_in_cpt said:

Slaven the only part of ur statement I can agree with is " not defending Payet's behavior "...
Sadly the rest is what it is..
I cannot see 1 player/ ex players giving him any credit/ cause for his behavior..

It's all about HIM....

No it's not.

Man management imo is a big part of the game

Slav has had more fall outs the. Any manager of ours I can remember

look back at my previous comments on the subject. Also what makes you think any pundit has to be 100% spot on?

ASLEFshrugged

Okay so what do we actually know? What Slaven said in his interview and that wasn't much. Payet has kept his mouth shut.

Everything else is second hand

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

jay_in_cpt

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

jay_in_cpt said:

Slaven the only part of ur statement I can agree with is " not defending Payet's behavior "...
Sadly the rest is what it is..
I cannot see 1 player/ ex players giving him any credit/ cause for his behavior..

It's all about HIM....

""""No it's not. --- yeh his wife and kids as well...that's fair..""""

Man management imo is a big part of the game

""---agree, his handled it fine IMO"""

Slav has had more fall outs the. Any manager of ours I can remember

"""--- true, but not that many to be concerned IMO """

look back at my previous comments on the subject. Also what makes you think any pundit has to be 100% spot on. ---"""
No I agree, but what I was saying is there has not been 1 pundit who agrees the way Payet has gone about it....

This is my only gripe about it

;ok

ASLEFshrugged

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Absolutely but equally we can't 100% condemn Payet without knowing all the facts as his decision might be justified.

Gosh it's hard being grown up.....

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

ASLEFshrugged said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Absolutely but equally we can't 100% condemn Payet without knowing all the facts as his decision might be justified.

Gosh it's hard being grown up.....

I think we can count on the fact that he's refusing to play, considering Bilic has very candidly recounted actual conversations with Payet.

I think that's the reason most people are annoyed. I'm sure the PL is full of players who currently want to leave their club. Payet (as far as I know) is the only one who thinks he can decide whether or not he plays for the club which employs him.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Who is inventing anything?

Who is beating the manager (well I'm not for sure)

The only people that know for sure what went on are Bilic and Payet possibly some others at the club.

Hammer Dublin believes what was said about the city game, that's his choice.

I personally wouldn't rule it out and that's my choice.

You don't believe any of it and that is your choice

It's all good

;ok

baracks_a_hammer

Not true Jorderz - didn't Sakho think that way too? ;;hmm

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

ASLEFshrugged said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Absolutely but equally we can't 100% condemn Payet without knowing all the facts as his decision might be justified.

Gosh it's hard being grown up.....

Well said

;ok

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

jay_in_cpt said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

jay_in_cpt said:

Slaven the only part of ur statement I can agree with is " not defending Payet's behavior "...
Sadly the rest is what it is..
I cannot see 1 player/ ex players giving him any credit/ cause for his behavior..

It's all about HIM....

""""No it's not. --- yeh his wife and kids as well...that's fair..""""

Man management imo is a big part of the game

""---agree, his handled it fine IMO"""

Slav has had more fall outs the. Any manager of ours I can remember

"""--- true, but not that many to be concerned IMO """

look back at my previous comments on the subject. Also what makes you think any pundit has to be 100% spot on. ---"""
No I agree, but what I was saying is there has not been 1 pundit who agrees the way Payet has gone about it....

This is my only gripe about it

;ok

Agree Payet has gone about it terribly imo and I had said that previously

MrsGrey

baracks_a_hammer said:

Not true Jorderz - didn't Sakho think that way too? ;;hmm

Only if you believe the rumours. Same for Ravel Morrison ;ok


I'll add Berahino to the list. Although now he can't get a game even when he wants to play.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Who is inventing anything?

Saying Payet and Bilic had an agreement about the Man City game and that Bilic broke it is an invention ;ok

baracks_a_hammer

Mrs G

I am sure if there had been some sort of long term injury to sakho the club would have issued something to outline what the problem was. I could be wrong but I don't recollect any such communication.

Unlike now, when we know how and when he got injured and roughly when he's likely to be back.

OldCastleSwift

There's a new version of Payet's song doing the rounds on social media. I've edited it a little bit, it's fair to say...

'Go away' Payet
Dimitri Payet
We just don't want you anymore
You've got some 'flaming' front
You money-grabbing 'Frenchman'
'Go away' Dimitri Payet

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

But Frenchman doesn't rhyme ;whistle

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

baracks_a_hammer said:

Not true Jorderz - didn't Sakho think that way too? ;;hmm

Yep, wouldn't go on tour and let himself go......

There was talk that his back had flared up again and it has since gone again

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Who is inventing anything?

Saying Payet and Bilic had an agreement about the Man City game and that Bilic broke it is an invention ;ok

You forgot something

"In my opinion"

Because as I said - nobody knows for sure.

Believe what you want, it's your choice.

MrsGrey

He's recently had an operation on his back, hasn't he?

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

ASLEFshrugged said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Absolutely but equally we can't 100% condemn Payet without knowing all the facts as his decision might be justified.

Gosh it's hard being grown up.....

I think we can count on the fact that he's refusing to play, considering Bilic has very candidly recounted actual conversations with Payet.

I agree Payet has said he won't play, but Slav while revealing the general details of what had happened said he wouldn't disclose the actual conversations