Dimi Payet; the Epilogue

Hammerdublin

Since the start of the era of humane managers.

Lukerz

Hammerdublin said:

Prior to the Man City FA cup match, Payet and Bilic agreed that the player would take no part in it. I don't know the reason, the player might have had a knock or something. Payet was named as a sub, though, but he was assured that he'd remain on the bench.

At 4-0 down, Bilic all of a sudden orders Payet to sub Carroll raising a few eyebrows. Even the pundits on BT sport said that the logic behind that substitution was to show the player who was the boss. So now we understand a little better why the player doesn't want to play for Bilic any longer. #trustworthymanager

And if Bilic did that intentionally he was spot on to do so. ;ok

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Hammerdublin said:

Prior to the Man City FA cup match, Payet and Bilic agreed that the player would take no part in it. I don't know the reason, the player might have had a knock or something. Payet was named as a sub, though, but he was assured that he'd remain on the bench.

At 4-0 down, Bilic all of a sudden orders Payet to sub Carroll raising a few eyebrows. Even the pundits on BT sport said that the logic behind that substitution was to show the player who was the boss. So now we understand a little better why the player doesn't want to play for Bilic any longer. #trustworthymanager

Where are you getting this from?

SuzanneClaret

#madeupistan.co.uk

alderz

Apologies if this has already been said, but

I don't care if his family situation is difficult, that's not the issue here. The issue is behaving like a spoilt brat.

Tell the club you're homesick, tell them you want to leave, tell them you're unhappy. Don't refuse to play, don't down tools.

If we were told he was unhappy due to his home life but still busted a gut for £125k a week then he would have (almost) all of our sympathies.

MrsGrey

Hammerdublin said:

Prior to the Man City FA cup match, Payet and Bilic agreed that the player would take no part in it. I don't know the reason, the player might have had a knock or something. Payet was named as a sub, though, but he was assured that he'd remain on the bench.

1. How do you know this, because gossip also says Payet said he didn't want to play.

Hammerdublin said:

At 4-0 down, Bilic all of a sudden orders Payet to sub Carroll raising a few eyebrows. Even the pundits on BT sport said that the logic behind that substitution was to show the player who was the boss.

2. That's their opinion. How on earth do they know why Bilic did it?

MrsGrey

billybondsbeard said:

Couple of stories on KUMB reading back through some threads.
Apparently Mrs P has had an affair, with her and the kids moving back to France over a month ago from the family home in Loughton.
Also, a couple of weeks ago Payet was asked to play in a charity game in Europe for Reunion (his birth place ), and the club refused, he was only allowed to kick off.
Apparently the current bust up started there with a huge row with Bilic about it.

It's quite common for clubs to refuse permission for players to play in charity games. A bunch couldn't play in Noble's testimonial, as I recall.

Hammerdublin

Slaven_A_Laugh_Lukerz said:

And if Bilic did that intentionally he was spot on to do so. ;ok

Oh yes, if he wanted to send a terrible message to his own players and to all those who were thinking about signing for West Ham. I am not saying that Payet was right to do what he did but neither was Bilic who has zero man-management skills. Can't wait to see his back.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

As I said always two sides to a story, not defending Payets behaviour at all, but there will almost certainly other factors in this.

Bilic really does love a fall out doesn't he? Again no problem with that, he's the boss and I like the fact he tends to take no rubbish, but man management is a big part of the game with these superstars on mega money.

Whether we believe everything on forums or ITK or not, some of this stuff is fairly accurate to a large degree. There are some people who do have contacts within the club. Whether you choose to believe it or even value this information is entirely up to the individual.

Sometimes the info will be duff and sometime it will of changed (ie transfers) and some of it will be spot on

IMO

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

But where are you getting this information from? Have you got a link to the quotes from Payet / Bilic?

jay_in_cpt

Slaven the only part of ur statement I can agree with is " not defending Payet's behavior "...
Sadly the rest is what it is..
I cannot see 1 player/ ex players giving him any credit/ cause for his behavior..

It's all about HIM....

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Can't speak for hammerdublin but sometimes there aren't any links or quotes.

;ok

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Can't speak for hammerdublin but sometimes there aren't any links or quotes.

;ok

Sorry, but this is ;lol

If there aren't any facts then it's just made up, yes? Either by him or somebody else?

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Can't speak for hammerdublin but sometimes there aren't any links or quotes.

;ok

Sorry, but this is ;lol

If there aren't any facts then it's just made up, yes? Either by him or somebody else?

You don't get the actual quotes, the full transcript you get the details/just of what has gone on, that is just the way it is

As I said nobody forces anyone to read or believe anything.

;ok

MrsGrey

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

You don't get the actual quotes, the full transcript you get the details/just of what has gone on, that is just the way it is

But then you/any user who is mentioning it in a discussion can at least give a link or source of where you read it, then we can all have a look and see if we think it sounds credible or not.
Then , as you say, its up to each individual if we believe it or not - but we can't just take YOUR word for it.

That's all I (personally speaking) am looking for when I ask for a source ;ok

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Can't speak for hammerdublin but sometimes there aren't any links or quotes.

;ok

Sorry, but this is ;lol

If there aren't any facts then it's just made up, yes? Either by him or somebody else?

You don't get the actual quotes, the full transcript you get the details/just of what has gone on, that is just the way it is

As I said nobody forces anyone to read or believe anything.

;ok

But where do the details come from? What's the source? What's their credentials?

I'm very confused by the desperation to defend Payet in the face of all the facts.

Bilic has given his version of events. Payet (and his agent) are seemingly silent.

Why are we believing the unsubstantiated musings of some bloke on Twitter or KUMB over our club and our manager?

SuzanneClaret

Hammerdublin if there was a very much disagree button I would have hit it very hard.

This can not be the managers fault.

MrsGrey

Vorse, sorry but despite having a good ;lol ;lol your picture had to go 'cos of the bad language.

Could you post a link instead?

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Jorderz I don't think anyone is defending Payet (I'm certainly not I already said yesterday what I thought he should've done) but there are nearly always two sides to the story that's all.

Still back Slav all the way, sounds like he's tried to bend over backwards to help Payet and no wonder he feels let down and angry

But to bring him on the last 10 minutes when he said he wouldn't would obviously not help the situation (if true)

NEoldiron

Vorse, genius ;lol

thornburyiron

If he genuinely said he wouldn't bring him on why the hell have him on the bench in the first place

MrsGrey

thorn ;ok

Doesn't really stack up, for me,

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

But to bring him on the last 10 minutes when he said he wouldn't would obviously not help the situation (if true)

But on what basis could we POSSIBLY say this is true?

Vorselaarhammer

Bad language? Do you mean the use of the word Payet?

Neoldiron ;biggrin made me laugh.

In other news I've read they've posted a security guard by he picture at the ground.....

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

jay_in_cpt said:

Slaven the only part of ur statement I can agree with is " not defending Payet's behavior "...
Sadly the rest is what it is..
I cannot see 1 player/ ex players giving him any credit/ cause for his behavior..

It's all about HIM....

No it's not.

Man management imo is a big part of the game

Slav has had more fall outs the. Any manager of ours I can remember

look back at my previous comments on the subject. Also what makes you think any pundit has to be 100% spot on?

ASLEFshrugged

Okay so what do we actually know? What Slaven said in his interview and that wasn't much. Payet has kept his mouth shut.

Everything else is second hand

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

jay_in_cpt

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

jay_in_cpt said:

Slaven the only part of ur statement I can agree with is " not defending Payet's behavior "...
Sadly the rest is what it is..
I cannot see 1 player/ ex players giving him any credit/ cause for his behavior..

It's all about HIM....

""""No it's not. --- yeh his wife and kids as well...that's fair..""""

Man management imo is a big part of the game

""---agree, his handled it fine IMO"""

Slav has had more fall outs the. Any manager of ours I can remember

"""--- true, but not that many to be concerned IMO """

look back at my previous comments on the subject. Also what makes you think any pundit has to be 100% spot on. ---"""
No I agree, but what I was saying is there has not been 1 pundit who agrees the way Payet has gone about it....

This is my only gripe about it

;ok

ASLEFshrugged

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Absolutely but equally we can't 100% condemn Payet without knowing all the facts as his decision might be justified.

Gosh it's hard being grown up.....

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

ASLEFshrugged said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Absolutely but equally we can't 100% condemn Payet without knowing all the facts as his decision might be justified.

Gosh it's hard being grown up.....

I think we can count on the fact that he's refusing to play, considering Bilic has very candidly recounted actual conversations with Payet.

I think that's the reason most people are annoyed. I'm sure the PL is full of players who currently want to leave their club. Payet (as far as I know) is the only one who thinks he can decide whether or not he plays for the club which employs him.