Dimi Payet; the Epilogue

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Who is inventing anything?

Who is beating the manager (well I'm not for sure)

The only people that know for sure what went on are Bilic and Payet possibly some others at the club.

Hammer Dublin believes what was said about the city game, that's his choice.

I personally wouldn't rule it out and that's my choice.

You don't believe any of it and that is your choice

It's all good

;ok

baracks_a_hammer

Not true Jorderz - didn't Sakho think that way too? ;;hmm

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

ASLEFshrugged said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Absolutely but equally we can't 100% condemn Payet without knowing all the facts as his decision might be justified.

Gosh it's hard being grown up.....

Well said

;ok

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

jay_in_cpt said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

jay_in_cpt said:

Slaven the only part of ur statement I can agree with is " not defending Payet's behavior "...
Sadly the rest is what it is..
I cannot see 1 player/ ex players giving him any credit/ cause for his behavior..

It's all about HIM....

""""No it's not. --- yeh his wife and kids as well...that's fair..""""

Man management imo is a big part of the game

""---agree, his handled it fine IMO"""

Slav has had more fall outs the. Any manager of ours I can remember

"""--- true, but not that many to be concerned IMO """

look back at my previous comments on the subject. Also what makes you think any pundit has to be 100% spot on. ---"""
No I agree, but what I was saying is there has not been 1 pundit who agrees the way Payet has gone about it....

This is my only gripe about it

;ok

Agree Payet has gone about it terribly imo and I had said that previously

MrsGrey

baracks_a_hammer said:

Not true Jorderz - didn't Sakho think that way too? ;;hmm

Only if you believe the rumours. Same for Ravel Morrison ;ok


I'll add Berahino to the list. Although now he can't get a game even when he wants to play.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Who is inventing anything?

Saying Payet and Bilic had an agreement about the Man City game and that Bilic broke it is an invention ;ok

baracks_a_hammer

Mrs G

I am sure if there had been some sort of long term injury to sakho the club would have issued something to outline what the problem was. I could be wrong but I don't recollect any such communication.

Unlike now, when we know how and when he got injured and roughly when he's likely to be back.

OldCastleSwift

There's a new version of Payet's song doing the rounds on social media. I've edited it a little bit, it's fair to say...

'Go away' Payet
Dimitri Payet
We just don't want you anymore
You've got some 'flaming' front
You money-grabbing 'Frenchman'
'Go away' Dimitri Payet

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

But Frenchman doesn't rhyme ;whistle

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

baracks_a_hammer said:

Not true Jorderz - didn't Sakho think that way too? ;;hmm

Yep, wouldn't go on tour and let himself go......

There was talk that his back had flared up again and it has since gone again

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Who is inventing anything?

Saying Payet and Bilic had an agreement about the Man City game and that Bilic broke it is an invention ;ok

You forgot something

"In my opinion"

Because as I said - nobody knows for sure.

Believe what you want, it's your choice.

MrsGrey

He's recently had an operation on his back, hasn't he?

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

ASLEFshrugged said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Absolutely but equally we can't 100% condemn Payet without knowing all the facts as his decision might be justified.

Gosh it's hard being grown up.....

I think we can count on the fact that he's refusing to play, considering Bilic has very candidly recounted actual conversations with Payet.

I agree Payet has said he won't play, but Slav while revealing the general details of what had happened said he wouldn't disclose the actual conversations

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Saying Payet and Bilic had an agreement about the Man City game and that Bilic broke it is an invention ;ok

You forgot something

"In my opinion"

Because as I said - nobody knows for sure.

Believe what you want, it's your choice.

Sure, it's an opinion that something which has no certifiable basis in reality is an invention. I'm well within my rights, I'm sure you agree, to say that something has been made up when nothing is offered in the way of evidence to support it ;ok

We may as well just say:

Vladimir Putin has compromising salacious material about Dimitri Payet to blackmail him into joining CSKA Moscow and playing the banjo at the Kremlin on Thursday nights.

There's nothing to support it, but it's an opinion, so perfectly valid, right?



I agree Payet has said he won't play, but Slav while revealing the general details of what had happened said he wouldn't disclose the actual conversations



Yes, Payet has refused to play and this is what people are upset about, because there are no valid reasons for being perfectly fit and refusing to play.

If I refuse to go into work next week, I get fired and my house gets repossessed.

If my family want to move to France, I still go into work.

If I want to move to a different company, I still go to work.

If I feel my boss has been unfair, I still go into work.

The WHY he has refused to help the team and the fans who worship him is not very important.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Not sure how I lost the quote marks there, but might make it more interesting if you also have to guess who said what ;lol

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Not going over the same stuff again and again let's just leave it there.

;ok

ASLEFshrugged

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

ASLEFshrugged said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Yes Aslef, so on that limited information, inventing a stick to beat the club or the manager with is wrong IMO ;ok

Absolutely but equally we can't 100% condemn Payet without knowing all the facts as his decision might be justified.

Gosh it's hard being grown up.....

I think we can count on the fact that he's refusing to play, considering Bilic has very candidly recounted actual conversations with Payet.

I think that's the reason most people are annoyed. I'm sure the PL is full of players who currently want to leave their club. Payet (as far as I know) is the only one who thinks he can decide whether or not he plays for the club which employs him.

Bilic hasn't candidly recounted his conversation with Payet, in fact he specifically said he wasn't going to say what was said between him and Payet.

We have no idea what was aaid so everything else is conjecture.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

He's explained what has been communicated by Payet, and is quoted as saying he checked in with Payet between the initial conversation and the press conference to check if Payet was standing by what it was he'd communicated.

Vorselaarhammer

OCS loving the new song, I've just seen the unseasoned version being sung....

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

He's explained what has been communicated by Payet, and is quoted as saying he checked in with Payet between the initial conversation and the press conference to check if Payet was standing by what it was he'd communicated.

Right, but he never went into full detail about the initial conversation

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

be interesting to see how this all pans out

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

He's explained what has been communicated by Payet, and is quoted as saying he checked in with Payet between the initial conversation and the press conference to check if Payet was standing by what it was he'd communicated.

Right, but he never went into full detail about the initial conversation

But he's refused to play. That's indefensible ;ok

OldCastleSwift

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

He's explained what has been communicated by Payet, and is quoted as saying he checked in with Payet between the initial conversation and the press conference to check if Payet was standing by what it was he'd communicated.

Right, but he never went into full detail about the initial conversation

But he's refused to play. That's indefensible ;ok

Correct never questioned it, are purposely trying to wind up?

baracks_a_hammer

Surely the manner of today's events puts payet's price up? So he can sit in the reserves? No problem, no problem at all

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

;lol

No, not at all ;ok

I'm just refuting your suggestions that there's enough room for doubt in the facts which have been presented to offer Payet a defence.

Based on the facts we have, Payet has refused to play. IMO that means he's beyond defence.

You've made suggestions in a lot of comments that there's room for doubt and an element of the unknown in what's gone on, in an attempt to mitigate for Payet. I'm saying that he's refused to play, and that's completely unacceptable, regardless of exactly why.

Anyway, I thought you said you wanted to leave it? ;wink

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Look pal....

I've said all along that Payet is at fault here, it wasn't me that suggested Slav was to blame that was someone else.

I've not defended Payet other than to say there is always another side to the story, plus if Slav did put him on with 10 left then that may not of helped the situation but I can see why he did it

Yes I really do want to leave it, it's boring now

KingHammerAbroad

I had no idea Payet played the banjo! Perhaps he can get a part in deliverance 2 , if his move back to France falls through ;whistle

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Yes I really do want to leave it, it's boring now

Sure thing pal ;ok

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

;ok