Dimi Payet; the Epilogue

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  • Conte doesnt fancy Batshuyai. Perhaps the Costa thing was Contes reason for trying to buy Llorente?

    Just realized what thread I'm on... Can I request that members are allowed a 24 hour swearing amnesty on the Payet thread? ;wink Awww go on? Go on? Go on? (apply Irish female accent)
  • I see Costa has missed training at Chelsea having been unsettled by interest from China.

    Payet MkII in the offing ;hmm

    As the lyrics go "Money talks, Dirty Cash I need you".

  • Slizzy

    Well, I suspect that it is what your read, rather than heard, and if you aren't prepared to share your source, and have that evaluated, then don't be surprised if your comments are dismissed as 'rumour' and blue cheese.

    And it is a bit disingenuous to cite your unsubstantiated rumour as though it were a given and accepted fact, and then make a point based on it.
  • Unverified and unverifiable? ;wink
  • Believe it or don't believe. Slizzy said he heard it somewhere. Shouldn't have to give a detailed explanation!
  • Who do you think Slizzy's source was?

    ;whistle
  • The sooner he goes the better. For money reasons and for morale
  • edited January 2017

    Believe it or don't believe.

    Obviously - that's why I want to know where it came from, so I can make a decision!

    Slizzy said he heard it somewhere. Shouldn't have to give a detailed explanation!

    Izzy doesn't HAVE TO do anything. He doesn't have to reply, if asked.

    But imo it shows respect to other site members if you make clear how reliable or not the info is - we are all forming our opinions and discussing the issues based on what info is out there. If someone is posting info that's just made up, it's wasting all our time.

    Garbage in, garbage out.

    Posting stuff you know is made up is wumming, which is against site rules. I'm not suggesting that's what Izzy is doing, at all, but equally, I don't think everything he posts is carven on tablets of stone in the Lord's own handwriting. ;biggrin

    Allow users to use their critical faculties and their own judgement.
  • Who do you think Slizzy's source was?

    ;whistle

    Big Oli ;ok
  • edited January 2017
    twist ;biggrin

    You were ;ok -ing while I was editing my post

    You might want to read back and see if you still think it's ;ok

    ;diop
  • At least Payet has been quite rubbish this year.....

    If Costa leaves Chelsea they will likely not win the league
  • Twist

    Anyone is free to post what they 'heard'.

    Personally, I think it's courtesy to say where it was heard.

    My issue in this instance is when an 'I heard', unsourced and unverified rumour is subsequently used as though it is a known fact.
  • Slizzy

    Well, I suspect that it is what your read, rather than heard, and if you aren't prepared to share your source, and have that evaluated, then don't be surprised if your comments are dismissed as 'rumour' and blue cheese.

    And it is a bit disingenuous to cite your unsubstantiated rumour as though it were a given and accepted fact, and then make a point based on it.

    I wasn't surprised at anything and didn't question what was being asked I just replied.

    Why get so snotty?

    If you don't want to believe it then that's fine, no problem at all.
  • The sooner he goes the better. For money reasons and for morale

    100% agree with this.
  • Since the Bosman ruling, contracts are constructed a different way. Payer agrees to play for West Ham and nobody else, for a fixed period. If Payet wishes to break the contract, he has to pay a sum stipulated in the release clause. Marseilles have told West Ham that they are willing to pay this for him, and West Ham can choose to allow them or not. They cannot force Payet to accept 50 million from a Chinese club. Payet absolutely gets a say in where he plays next.
  • I don't think I was being snotty.

    You said:
    We were selling him in the summer anyway all this has done is bring it forward
    .

    That suggests it is a given fact.

    Subsequently, you said it was 'what you heard', without choosing to identify the source.

    For me, confusing rumour and fact is unhelpful.
  • sweepy23 said:
    Terrible piece. It's embarrassing that anybody could possibly be siding with Payet over the club.

    Poor, poor Payet, paid millions and millions, adored and worshipped, name sung every minute of every game. What a terrible injustice has been done to him by West Ham not spending £100 million in the summer ;lol ;doh

    Before West Ham he was called Dimitri Who? Now we've failed him? What a joke.
  • Jorderz, there not siding with him but they are pointing out what a lot of people believe. We had an opportunity to not only hold on to Payet by fulfilling the boards promises but also attract a great group of players. They didn't fulfill there promises. Maybe not because they didn't want to but sometimes in life people fail.

    Let's all remember that Bobby Moore requested to leave West Ham for Tottenham. Tottenham!!! We didn't allow it. If he had the power the players had today, he'd have been off. Even our most beloved player had his head turned.
  • Well to be fair, we did build a team around him, i do not recall him ever kicking off on his own, it just turns out that they weren't very good.

    ;wink

    But we still luv em

    COYI
  • I liked this sentence from the ITK linked on previous page:
    It is also now embarrassing to have a giant shirt of his hanging up at the ground, which I think should now be replaced, as someone suggested to me, by a Dylan Tombides one.
  • edited January 2017
    Sweepy, he (you) can't have it both ways.
    It's either because of his family situation OR lack of WHU's progress (Europe, league position etc.).
    If he was playing for the Russian Mafia Chelski, he'd still want away according to his side of the argument.
    If the club was a little more flushed I would let him rot and take the hit just to show him and others that it's the clubs, (or actually the supporters) that are the most important. Players come and go, some remembered with fondness and pride, others with for example, Dimi?, Dimi? nah doesn't ring a bell.
  • We paid him a 1m loyalty bonus

    But we continue to try and haggle on the low side with transfers

    Staggering really but I suppose when you're a game changer that's what happens

    I just want him gone, club get a nice fee and Slav uses to build again, properly this time.

    I can't see this being resolved even though you can't rule it out completely (sorry boss had a change of heart) imagine what kind of reaction he'd get from the fans?

    Such a shame that he decided to do it this way, rather than get his head down and say to the club I'll give you everything but if the offer to the club is right you let me go
  • edited January 2017
    I'm going with the word coming out of the Payet "camp", this is about his family, a similar situation to Kevin Nolan in his first season when he was jumping in his car after every match and driving back up to Newcastle.

    The difference is that Ludivine, Noa, Milan, and Pharell are staying in France so if Payet stayed here he would spend the rest of his contract flying back to France at every opportunity, missing training sessions and getting increasingly depressed.

    It's a fair assumption that the reason his performance this season has been a shadow of last season is that all this is getting to him mentally, it could even be the reason why the rest of the team has underperformed, his attitude has had a negative effect on the other players, I could even believe that some who are parents (Noble, Collins, Carroll) might even sympathise with him.

    The best thing for both West Ham and Payet is to get him out of here, talk to Marseille, sort out a deal and find a suitable replacement.
  • I'm assuming he had made the decision to leave before he received the loyalty bonus.
  • Tore, Feghouli, Nordveit, Ayew, Fletcher, Zaza.... All we potentially excellent acquisitions. Some might still be. Payet, IMO,would still have pushed for a move whether they all worked out great or not! He came back from the Euros and asked to go. The love and finances given to him were obviously not enough. Now (especially the love) we're all gutted to indifferent and for me, all we showered on him is tainted (and personally i'll never look upon him in any positive way again)
  • Asked about the Payet situation
    Gary Neville @GNev2
    You're better off without him. He's a grain of sand on a beach to your club.
  • edited January 2017
    sweepy23 said:
    What tosh. (My opinion, obviously)

    Not only are there factual errors, he doesn't know the difference between disenfranchised and disenchanted. Plus, he invests significance in the things that aren't significant. Plus he says the new stadium was meant to catapult us to the next level but it hasn't so no wonder Dimi's fed up. Erm, Mr Bonn, anybody who thinks it would catapult us to he next level by January is deluded. ;doh

    He's trying to justify the unjustifiable. And blaming the victim.
  • Mrs G. The owners and Mrs Brady have always said it would allow us to compete and that they wanted CL football within a few years. They insinuated all along that the stadium would catapult us forward.

    Even if you wouldn't have thought we would have progressed so quickly by Jan, no one thought we'd go so badly backwards.
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