The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38233852
Oh, wait a minute, let me actually read that ;hmm
A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a credible Opposition. ;doh
#shameonthem
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/10/arron-banks-man-who-bought-brexit
A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a credible Opposition. ;doh
#shameonthem
Gary Linikers twitter feed.
The only current credible opposition.
suz ;ok (And in this instance, Ken Clarke ;puzzled )
We are doomed..... ;doh
A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a credible Opposition. ;doh
#shameonthem
or they respected the referendum result ?
The issue isn't about respecting the result, it is about holding the government to account for how it goes about implementing it, and securing a voice/representation for all their constituents (those who voted leave and those who voted remain) in that process. The former is the job of the opposition, and the latter is the job of all MPs.
Dear Parliament. Please see below our plan. Thanks. The Government.
Government Plan
Send article 50 notification - end March.
Meetings with EU exit comnittee - April onwards.
Aim: get best deal possible while securing control over immigration.
Deadline: Christmas 2018.
Jan - March 2019, get 'big Bill' through Parliament.
;beer
And yes, they may well seek to affect future legislation along the way. But they won't vote against the 'Big Bill' - which (although it's not clear exactly what it will include) is the bill that will put into law all the stuff that would disappear on the day we are officially out of the EU - that's 2 years after.*
And they've given away an important bargaining chip by agreeing that Article 50 should be triggered in March next year, they've weakened their hand.
* Apologies, my dates in the earlier post were wrong. I've corrected them.
“commit to publishing [its] plan for leaving the EU before Article 50 is invoked,”
Nothing about details of any sort.
But just in case, they also agreed the get-out clause: there “should be no disclosure of material that could be reasonably judged to damage the UK in any negotiations to depart from the European Union after Article 50 has been triggered.”
So if MPs call for more details than what are published, the govt will just invoke that last bit.. ;doh
TM has said there will be a 'Great Repeal Bill' announced in the Queen's Speech next May 2017.
This will be enacted on 'Exit Day' - probably March 2019, but maybe before. It will do as you say, transpose all EU-derived laws etc into domestic law.
That's what I thought you meant by the Big Bill, and why I said Labour + Lib Dems wouldn't vote against it.
All they needed do was say nothing and wait until the judges give their verdict and they couldn't even do that.
A true man of the people.......
The man has no concept of irony, obviously.
MRS EXPAT!
1. The next 110 million Euro bail out for Greece, apparently this could be delayed as they (the EU - specifically Germany) want the private investors to take on more of the debt or roll over what they already have. Seems like there are lots of variations on what it might be but the private investors are not happy to do this, and the EU central banks (and the countries who fund it and the bail out funds) are not happy to put more money in either wanting the private financiers to put in more.
2. The Current Italy situation: Due to the political situation and also the run on the Italian Assets and in particular the run on the Banks, there is a fear that the Italian economy will go bust in a quick time. It is estimated that if this happens they will need upwards of 600 million Euro's in bail out.
3. Spain; There is also concern that even though they have taken measure to keep control on their economy and debt, it is also under heavy pressure and is close to collapse, which could trigger a 300 million Euro bails out.
If all three of these come to fruition, that meant there is a need for over 1,000 million Euro's in bail outs. The current EU central fund sits at 480 million, so there is a massive shortfall, so the whole EU project is at risk - again the 'experts' seem to think if this happens there will be a backlash from the populations of the richer nations who will not want to further fund the 'rescue' packages at their expense, the only resolution will be to 'allow' the affected nations to part way with the Euro and take back full control of their finances with their own currencies - sort of reverting things to how they were pre-Euro.
Interestingly, I also came across other articles predicting another potential 'Global' financial crisis (from a general google search), a couple specifically pointed to Europe as the starting point and naming Italy as a significant start of a European domino effect, but the UK would be better protected because the people currently in charge of policy at the Bank of England had understood better what was going on and what was needed, so had insisted they had bigger buffers in place etc.
The French finance minister was recently in the news almost purring at the fact that all the Banks etc.in the City of London had carried out their due diligence to move to Paris. However, the response from the City was they had done their due diligence to open satellite offices in Paris to do 'some of our business' if we need to. All of the above is one of the main reasons the French/Germans want to encourage the banks to move all their business to Paris/Frankfurt because of all the tax revenue it would generate that would be used to support the EU finances and grand EU project - something they have steadfastly refused to do in the past, so the EU are trying to force them due to the leave vote via new trade agreements - mind you some of these plans go back to 2010 when the EU decided it wanted to curtail the Cities influence on the EU Finance Services.
I have found this website http://openeurope.org.uk/ quite informative on most issues and they have quite good in depth analysis and conversation on topics without the general UK media (and some EU Media) hysteria.
Debatable ;wink
The actual point really was in or out, if they are right (the 'experts' in the articles above) everybody is in for harder times in the not too distant.., the influence of this on the leave negotiations could be significant as our trade with certain members of the EU is significant to their economic success/stability, so if the pressure continues to build, despite what the EU Commissioners and Bureaucrats want in the way of transition and final trade deals, it could all be tempered and directed by some of the more pragmatic requirements of some of the more influential EU members.
Note! Ken Livingstone has gone on record today on the AM show saying that despite all the amendments and 'red lines' that the Labour party (and Lib Dems/others might want), it was generally understood at the highest level in Labour that there would probably be no pre-conditions or agreements to the negotiations and it would be messy and hard - because of the EU stance.
So essentially all the legal stuff and the debate/amendments around any acts or bill in parliament going on currently are empty gestures and window dressing as in the great scheme they mean nothing.