The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50

TheMadcapLaughs

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-38827731

Whilst I have every sympathy with the human in this story, school is a cruel, wicked, unforgiving place if you are different in any way, but apart from the obvious financial benefits, possibly tens of thousands of pounds I assume, what "good" does suing the school do. Highlighting the schools short comings and agitating for a better more inclusive World are one thing, but suing leaves me cold. It is the blame culture and the automatic "right" to financial recompense that gets me. Cases like this are detrimental (in my view), rather than healing wounds and promoting understanding they achieve the exact opposite.

With view to the earlier discussion, and to save any doubt or confusion, why not "pregnant human" as the catch all phrase.

MrsGrey

Re the language thing, those of you who have suggested alternative inclusive terms...

I agree there could be other terms used rather than the selection offered by the Guidance.

But the point is (and it seems to be one all of us are accepting - or at least nobody has actually challenged it) that trying to choose language that is inclusive and not containing any explicit or implicit derogatory overtones is a good thing. So the actual term isn't really the issue, it seems to me.

For anybody who didn't read the booklet, there are also other categories covered, such as language to describe people with disabilities, learning difficulties etc. (Which are categories that seem to attract less scorn and ridicule from papers like the Mail and The Sun than do those associated with race and gender. Quelle surprise!)

OutcastLondoner

TheMadcapLaughs said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-38827731

what "good" does suing the school do.

Setting legal precedent.

TheMadcapLaughs

OutcastLondoner said:

TheMadcapLaughs said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-38827731

what "good" does suing the school do.

Setting legal precedent.

For future claims???

OutcastLondoner

TheMadcapLaughs said:

OutcastLondoner said:

TheMadcapLaughs said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-38827731

what "good" does suing the school do.

Setting legal precedent.

For future claims???

For how schools are legally allowed to treat children. To make clear what constitutes discrimination and is therefore illegal.

TheMadcapLaughs

But according to the article the laws are already in place, the school seems negligent in their interpretation of the law, and I can understand that the school should be held accountable for neglecting its responsibilities, but "suing" (IMO) is wrong. I think that if this is a test case and will be used to set a precedent for the benefit of future pupils then if "damages" are awarded in cases such as this then they should be nominally set at £1.00. That assumes then that the claimant is doing this for the benefit of future generations rather than personal financial gain. The thought of "gender chasers" out there and "genderlawyers4u" makes me a little uncomfortable.

MrsGrey

TheMadcapLaughs said:

But according to the article the laws are already in place, the school seems negligent in their interpretation of the law, and I can understand that the school should be held accountable for neglecting its responsibilities, but "suing" (IMO) is wrong.

But that's the point.

How do you know if a school has been negligent in their conforming with the law and fulfilling their responsibilities? Until the day they put you in charge of deciding ( ;wink ), a case has to be taken to court to test that.

Who will do that, unless a 'victim' steps forward.

TheMadcapLaughs

I`m not objecting to the case, I`m objecting to the possibility of large damages being paid. If it is made clear that the damages are set at £1.00 then great. I hate compensation culture. We are money obsessed and it is being seen as a cure all, I`m all for righting wrongs, it just seems to me that a few thousand pounds appears to soften the blow. That is wrong and doesn`t compute in my head.

MrsGrey

But in many cases (not necessarily this one, I don't know) the person/organisation found to be at fault has done something that has caused the victim financial losses. (eg, loss of earning, facing medical or other expenses and so on). Why shouldn't they be compensated? I have no problem with it myself.

Also, if there is no punitive impact on the offending organisations, they can just carry on ignoring the law. And if they get taken to court and lose, ah well. Never mind.

OutcastLondoner

Does it actually even say in the story that they're seeking compensation?

MrsGrey

Not in the article, no.

But I think under the 2010 Act Part 9 (Enforcement) the tribunals and courts are empowered to award compensation and damages (subject to various criteria and limits).

NEoldiron

Of all the reasons to remain in the EU none can compete with this reason to leave

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/question-time-woman-banana-is-straight-audience-member-brexit-vote-last-minute-eu-referendum-a7560781.html

How many more of them had a similar reason ;puzzled

IronHerb

None I would guess.

NEoldiron

Herb you could be right, it would of would've been cucumbers ;biggrin

Expat_Hammer

Freedom for the fruitsters ;lol

MrsGrey

That banana story (an utter lie, but promoted by Boris) is proof that (a) Boris is despicable and (b) we have had out own alternative facts long before the Trump administration.

PrestonHammer

The banana story is an old story, I remember that when I was in my teens.

MrsGrey

Astonishing how it lives on.

It has been debunked so many times, but some people still believe it. Even after Boris admitted he made it up.

NEoldiron

I think the point is being missed here. The point being that some voters were (insert whatever adjective you feel is appropriate) enough to decide the future of the UK on such trivial matters. ;angry

AdMeus_CaputFilius

It is not strictly a lie Mrs G, there is legislation out there that was passed by the EU regarding the size and shape of bananas, but it was for classification, so for marketing purposes people knew what they were buying - Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94 of 16 September 1994 laying down quality standards for bananas:-

The regulation applies to unripened green bananas, and thus to growers and wholesalers rather than retailers.[3] The main provisions of the regulation were that bananas sold as unripened, green bananas should be green and unripened, firm and intact, fit for human consumption, not "affected by rotting", clean, free of pests and damage from pests, free from deformation or abnormal curvature, free from bruising, free of any foreign smell or taste.[1] The minimum size (with tolerances and exceptions) is a length of 14 cm and a thickness (grade) of 2.7 cm. It specifies minimum standards for specific quality classifications of bananas (Extra, Class I, Class II).[1] Only Extra class bananas have to comply fully with the shape specifications. Class II bananas, for instance are permitted to have "defects of shape"; Class I bananas are permitted only "slight defects of shape".[1][4] This is not true, however, of the size specifications; sale of bananas below the minimum size is almost always prohibited (with exceptions only for bananas from a few regions where bananas are traditionally smaller).

If you don't read all the information and just focus on section underlines it is easy to see why people misinterpreted the regulation. Also at the time, a lot of the bananas imported to the UK came from the West Indies which tended to be smaller and curvier so imports from that area suffered, as importers switched to other countries who grew products that were more in line with the highest classification - it also lead to accusations (from those losing out) of the EU protecting it's own as many of the EU's big agricultural companies had interests in those areas producing the new higher classification fruits.

The real problem is that there is a lot of legislation and regulations out there from the EU regards fruit and vegetables that is produced for marketing and trade purposes - i.e. when you buy the product badged as Grade A or Class 1 that is what you get (as per the EU regulation), if not you can send it back and have it replaced or pay the costs of the lower grade it actually is (claim back a credit if already paid), which when it gets into the public domain is deliberately misinterpreted (for various reasons) or misunderstood.

NEoldiron

Admeus said:
"which when it gets into the public domain is deliberately misinterpreted (for various reasons) or misunderstood" -
by the usual suspects:
e.g: Sun, Daily Express, Daily Mail among others

IronHerb

NEoldiron said:

I think the point is being missed here. The point being that some voters were (insert whatever adjective you feel is appropriate) enough to decide the future of the UK on such trivial matters. ;angry

So NE, you have generalised, what was it, 17-18m voters on one comment. That's why Brexiteers call Remainers (insert whatever adjective you feel is appropriate) elitist.

Dodger58

I have to admit this line from OnMe's excellent post made me laugh:

AdMeus_CaputFilius said:

..free from bruising, free of any foreign smell or taste.

So is the EU anti-'foreign' smell or taste - I thought the British were supposed to be isolationist ...

;whistle

OutcastLondoner

We, the newly-independent people of Britain, demand free movement for all bananas, not the people from the same countries.

grey_til_I_dye

Power to the banana!

simonc

It may surprize some but there are around 1000 varieties of banana & they come in many sizes - it seems to me that it would be impossible to grade bananas by size and shape, and why would you i tend to think it is the taste that is important - to some it must be how they look in the fruit bowl?

OutcastLondoner

All you really need to know is the midget Asian bananas you can't buy in the supermarket are the best. #EndOf

IronHerb

Do you write the Food Review as well Outcast? ;lol

PrestonHammer

I think they are called Apple bananas.

AdMeus_CaputFilius

They also come in a variety of colours as well (red, purple, brown etc.) as well as the usual shade of green/yellow we are used to seeing.