The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50

claretandbluesky

There will certainly be civil unrest BillyB as once their Brexit has been delivered but the NHS and education system have been run down behind the shadow of the brexit headlines, and the post brexit coffers allow them to show no money to plough in, the working class may feel like they have been had over again. It will be very much harder for anyone coming in to even attempt to turn it around from the position we are left in.

With regard Jezza I think he is politically irrelevant as he does not appear able to impact anything at present, he is not impacting Brexit, not holding the tories to account on anything really. Labour need a centre leaning leader who can gain the trust of the floating voters who decide elections in my view, who? your guess is as good as mine.

MrsGrey

Speaking to CPAC, Farage declares, 'Our real friends in the world speak English.'

;doh ;angry

He is just vile.

upos

Speaking to CPAC, Farage declares, 'Our real friends in the world speak English.'

Mainly because we cannot speak anything else!

;wink

MrsGrey

Despite their poor reputation, English people are actually quite good at speaking foreign languages.



After all, it's just speaking English, but slower and really loud, right?

thornburyiron

Simple solution. English is the international language of the air so just make it international language on the ground.

Dodger58

I assume Mrs Grey that you and Mr Grey both speak Greek as you have been there a while? I don't so can always claim "it's all Greek to me" if I don't understand - works in Newcastle too.

It is actually quite difficult for the English abroad as so many automatically speak English to us, m making it difficult to practice our linguistic skills. Personally I got to the stage of actually thinking in French (very scary), although less fluent now as I visit French speaking countries so rarely now.

I travel internationally a great deal on business and always ensure I at least know how to say 'please' and 'thank you' in the local tongue ...

grey_til_I_dye

thorn

Which English?

Dodger

Not very well, tbh, (though we do try) mainly for the reasons you suggest.

Like most Greek islands, the main economy is tourism, so a lot of people speak some English, and since we don't work here there is no pressing need to speak it.

I do speak Italian, having learned it at university.

MrsGrey

Dodger58 said:

I assume Mrs Grey that you and Mr Grey both speak Greek as you have been there a while?
It is actually quite difficult for the English abroad as so many automatically speak English to us, m making it difficult to practice our linguistic skills.

Very little, Dodger, in my case. I'd say I was beyond beginner stage but not yet at independent stage. Mostly all my own fault tbh, but the latter point you make is one of the things that makes it difficult to improve. ;ok

Vorselaarhammer

I was reading the other day that Garage has a German wife.

Christmas with the family in law must be interesting.

Dodger58

Greys thanks for the responses. I fully understand the difficulty but would also make the effort if I was living in a non-English speaking country.

I had the opportunity to move with a company to Germanys many years ago, but decided against it:
- neither my wife nor I spoke German and with a bit ex-pat community would probably have been sucked into a situation that your social life was also mainly with work colleagues - not something that would have worked well for my wife.
- I love my cricket and Rugby, not much of that in Germany.

I ended up with a job in South Wales instead!

MrsGrey

;scarvwal




I try, too, Dodger. ;ok


(I used to be bilingual in English and another language, mainly as a result of immersion - which circumstances here and now preclude.)

MrsGrey

Vorselaarhammer said:

I was reading the other day that Garage has a German wife.

Christmas with the family in law must be interesting.

Maybe they are from the right of the German polictical spectrum, in which case it is probably a love-in.

ASLEFshrugged

MrsGrey said:

Speaking to CPAC, Farage declares, 'Our real friends in the world speak English.'

;doh ;angry

He is just vile.

This was what Farage was always after, get the UK out of Europe and turn it into the 51st state

Vorselaarhammer said:

I was reading the other day that Garage has a German wife.

Christmas with the family in law must be interesting.

Him and the wife are separated, he's now got some French woman living with him

Vorselaarhammer

Aslef, Le Pen?.?

ASLEFshrugged

Laure Ferrari, a member of DLF, a minor right wing party that split from the UMP (now calling themselves Les Republicains) which is the French Tories.

Not to be confused with KLF who were Justified and Ancient (all bound for Mu Mu land)

NEoldiron

Frankie Boyle's on form
https://www.facebook.com/FrankieBoyleFans/posts/1429553200419375

;clap

chicagohammer

"He has the defeated look of someone who has tried and failed to get a friend to leave Mama Mia at the interval"

Now that made me laugh out loud, none of this LOL nonsense, I mean really laugh out loud.

;bowdown

claretandbluesky

So many great observations, ones that would usually get him trolled as a member of the London elite, were he not from Glasgow.

Frankie is highly intelligent and writes with real insight on so many different issues but sadly many think he is no more than a modern day Jim Davidson as it is the questionable jokes at people like Katie Price's expense which shape public opinion about him as more get to hear about them than will read his political pieces.

NEoldiron

There are some thought provoking quotes here.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/best-quotes-about-europe-and-europeans/

MrsGrey

I don't have time to go back and find which page we were discussing it on, but the 'election fraud' issue has inched forward a bit.

The police investigation into the Tory candidates' possible election fraud in the general election has (in some cases) concluded. Files on 10 cases have been passed to the CPS who will now decide whether or not to prosecute.

This could, possibly, lead to some results being declared void, and byelections being called.

(Some other investigations are still ongoing.)

MrsGrey

And in other news, despite the PM declaring that a bad deal with the EU would be worse than leaving with no deal, it transpires she has absolutely no basis for saying that because the govt haven't actually done an economic impact assessment of a no-deal scenario.

;doh

claretandbluesky

In other news Theresa May in response to Nicloa Sturgeons request for a referendum in Scotland remarked that this would not be a good idea as it would be divisive and bad for the economy! ;doh

NEoldiron

MrsGrey ;clap
although I fear you're hitting your head against the proverbial brick wall if you imagine facts will have any effect on Brexiteers' opinions.

This Tory farce of a government would be steaming full ahead into the iceberg all the while assuring us "don't worry, it'll move aside when it sees we're serious" ;biggrin

claretandbluesky

Really happy for Holland if the early results are accurate as it seems they have dodged the bullet and will not be the next to fall after Brexit and Trump victories, Wilders has polled more than you would have hoped but it seems no where near enough to gain a victory or even the credibility he sought.

France next and hopefully Le Pen will also fail.

ASLEFshrugged

The problem for Wilders and the PVV is that its far easier for the centre right VVD to form coalitions with the other centre right and centrist parties. If necessary the VVD can even do deals with the centre left who wouldn't touch Wilders with a barge pole.

There are a couple of smaller far right parties but they only get two or three seats each in the Dutch parliament so Wilders and his lot are pretty much isolated.

Moojor

claretandbluesky said:

In other news Theresa May in response to Nicloa Sturgeons request for a referendum in Scotland remarked that this would not be a good idea as it would be divisive and bad for the economy! ;doh

I do look forward to the moment May has to go around Scotland explain why leaving a long standing partnership with your strongest trading allies is a bad idea and will hurt them economically, while at the same time explain that the whole of the UK doing that is in fact a great idea and will mean that we will be better off.

MrsGrey

So, Theresa May doesn't do irony, it would seem.

When asked why she is blocking a referendum for Scotland (until after Brexit, at least, and possibly forever), she said

I think it would not be fair to the people of Scotland because they’d be being asked to take a crucial decision without the necessary information, without knowing what the future partnership will be or what the alternative of an independent Scotland would look like.

NEoldiron

Mooj, MrsGrey ;lol ;lol
See my previous post; Theresa May, the reincarnation of Brian Rix ;biggrin

ps. is that semi-colon correct? ;biggrin

ASLEFshrugged

George Osborne will be the new editor of the Evening Standard, promising

We will judge what the government, London’s politicians and the political parties do against this simple test: is it good for our readers and good for London? If it is, we’ll support them. If it isn’t, we’ll be quick to say so.

Osborne thought that Joanna Lumley's Garden Bridge was good for London and gave it £30m of taxpayers' money.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear........

OutcastLondoner

They described him as "London through and through".

Remind me of where his constituency is again?

Does he remain MP while a journalist?