Slaven Bilic named as West Ham Manager (09.06.15)

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  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Not sure off camera he'd be so ok....
  • HammerdublinHammerdublin
    Look at Bournemouth: a weaker team than ours beat Liverpool today. This is what happens when the manager can motivate the players. And then look at what is going on under Bilic.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Slaven_A_Laugh_Lukerz said:

    We need to go back to Payet central. He's not involved enough out wide and we all know about his tracking back ability.

    Was thinking the exact same
    Thing when I watched the game back
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Slaven_A_Laugh_Lukerz said:

    Thing with Slav is I thought he'd be a bit angry as a manager. Like 'you wouldn't want to mess with him'. But he's quite the opposite. Open, honest, nice...

    Maybe the players are taking the mick. Think they can get away with it as he's a bit soft.

    I think he's both, just wondering if it creates a little bit of a "favourite" culture?

    It's fine ruling with an iron fist when you're getting results but when your not.....
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Yeoldhammer said:

    He needs 8 points against Burnley Hull Swansea Leicester. If not then he is gone ;wave

    He/We probably needs more than Eight points from those 4 games.

  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    might need more but after those 4 games 20 points from 19. is minimum he needs to keep his job imo. Anything less and he should go.
  • sweepy23sweepy23
    Bilic will turn it around. Keep the faith.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    I think one of the issues is that I would imagine the Daves are looking to spend in January (lets hope so ), but would they trust Slav with the cash after the complete mess up that was the summer transfer window?

    I think he can turn it around and when players are fit and with a new face or two in January we will begin to resemble last season, and that will take us clear.

    I think Reid will be a big player as he looks up for it and has on occasion lately hit his best form, he looks more and more like a leader also so I would give him the armband and ask him to take charge on the pitch, hopefully that will spur others on. Noble may not be happy but he is having one good game in every four at present and I think we need more.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Carroll will probably not last 10 games though
  • LukerzLukerz
    'Crunch' talks today with board:
    http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11685/10684129/slaven-bilic-faces-crunch-talks-with-west-ham-board
  • SwissironSwissiron
    Bilic needs to put six things right
    1. Stop being stubborn with his picks, eg playing Zaza in the desperate hope that he'll suddenly come good
    2. Bring the Noble era to an end by making Reid captain and Noble a dependable stop gap squad player
    3. Sack the ex-players on the staff - eg Julian etc who are doing nothing
    4. Play Payet central, build the team around him
    5. Give more playing time to Academy youngsters wherever possible
    6. Insist on one big experienced striker in the January window, and offload all the failing strikers
    Job done ;ok
  • alderzalderz
    I disagree with the Noble thing, and the coaches thing, and the Payet thing. Otherwise ;ok
  • LukerzLukerz
    Problem is you would expect intensity in training to be flat if there is no confidence. You won't have the lads buzzing about after 5-1, 4-1, 4-2, 3-0 stuffings. The mood will be low. It's a vicious circle. You need confidence to get that buzz back.

    I was worried earlier in the season with the whole Antonio situation. Bilic made a call that Antonio was his RB, Antonio gave up and wasn't having it after 45 mins in the first game of the season. Then Bilic backed down and said 'ok, I'll play you RW'. Just completely undermined him and showed he could be walked over.

    That's why I've been cold on Antonio ever since. Pathetic attitude after that half at Chelsea.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    In Bilic I trust.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    alderz said:

    I disagree with the Noble thing, and the coaches thing, and the Payet thing. Otherwise ;ok

    I agree with your disagree ;ok
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Luke, your comment about the 5-1 stuffing (among others), contrast that with Troy Deeney's comment on BBC today.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38203519

    ""When we played them (Leicester), in November, we did things a bit differently and decided to start by going at them.
    It was our first game since losing 6-1 to Liverpool, so our approach was a bit of a ploy to try to get our fans back onside straight away."
    ;hmm
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    So, we sack Slav after a poor run of results. We get someone in. They have a poor run of results (which they are almost bound to have at some point), so we sack them.

    Rinse and repeat, ad nauseum.

    Or, we don't panic, accept that football is a game of fluctuating fortunes and let Slav get on with the job he did so well last season.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Results based business these days.
  • alderzalderz
    It's always been a results based business. It's just a panic driven business now, which is ridiculous.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Well unless you can tell the future ? he has to come up with the results or faces the axe.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Yeold

    What is the guarantee that sacking Slav and getting someone else in makes things better?

    There isn't one, unless you can tell the future.
  • alderzalderz
    It's not about telling the future though, Yeold.

    This study tells us that the 6 professional clubs who haven't sacked a manager in the past 6 seasons are all in better or equal positions to where they were 6 years ago.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38014171

    This one tells us that the biggest bounce back in form comes from a manager who isn't sacked being given time to turn things around.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23724517

    This one tells us that, statistically, sacking a manager doesn't have a long term impact on form.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-management-blog/2014/feb/21/football-managers-sackings-premier-league

    So it's not about telling the future. It's about looking at the massive amounts of evidence that suggest that sacking managers does not lead to any long term benefit for the club.

    For me, Slav is a good manager, has shown that he is tactically astute, and tries to play in a way that most West Ham fans want the team to play. He's going through a sticky patch, but the evidence tells us that changing the manager now is not likely to make things better, and, in fact, NOT changing the manager is our best bet of turning things around.
  • MoojorMoojor
    If we get rid of Bilic I will probably stop watching football totally.

    I am already sick and tired of the "now now now!" attitude in football and getting rid of Bilic before he is given the time to build us to something resembling a real football is just pandering to that stupid ideal that we have to have it all now.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    alderz

    #statattack

    ;wahoo
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    SuzanneClaret said:

    alderz said:

    I disagree with the Noble thing, and the coaches thing, and the Payet thing. Otherwise ;ok

    I agree with your disagree ;ok
    I disagree to your agree to alderz disagree ;puzzled
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    Yeold

    What is the guarantee that sacking Slav and getting someone else in makes things better?

    There isn't one, unless you can tell the future.

    I cant tell the future not paid enough. But the people who do make that decision would i guess imagine that they can get someone in who can turn things around.
  • MoojorMoojor
    Yeoldhammer said:

    grey_til_I_dye said:

    Yeold

    What is the guarantee that sacking Slav and getting someone else in makes things better?

    There isn't one, unless you can tell the future.

    I cant tell the future not paid enough. But the people who do make that decision would i guess imagine that they can get someone in who can turn things around.
    But by doing that they would disprove their own ability to pick someone who is able to turn things around, because that's what Bilic was meant to do. Therefore sacking him and getting a new manager would mean that they are accepting that they only want a manager for about a season and a half and not one to build a future.

    "Oh dear," says Gold, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited December 2016
    ;lol


    (That's a lol at the funny ;ok )
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Doesn't he have a meeting with the Board every Monday.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited December 2016
    ;nonono Are you suggesting the papers might be sexing up the story?


    ;wink
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