The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50
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;hmm
Jam tomorrow?
The presumption ( or might I say promise) that there would be, is s why many voted - and were encouraged to vote - for 'OUT'
I didn't notice 'Leave' campaign putting any emphasis on that fact.
Which is, I suppose, the way with politics.
The sad thing is, while we can hold politicians to their manifesto commitments in domestic politics, or vote them out a few years later and give the other lot a go, that isn't an option here.
It's a one-time deal.
For every person like Mike who did a lot of research and gave it a lot of though (even though I don't agree with his conclusions) there are those like the person I know who voted out because he doesn' tlike using metric measurements and wants to use only imperial weights and measures.
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Of course I have no evidence for this claim other than a short conversation with a bunch of lazy layabout students down the pub tonight.
For the record I sadly can't agree with your conclusions either - but I will defend to the death your right to reach them. ;biggrin
Until then If political parties choose to ignore a 75% voting demographic, good luck to them in 2020.
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Feel free to post on any topic you like, so long as the aim is not to 'wind up' other users.
U.K. Doesn't have either so it becomes for people a more abstract concept.
I am embarrassed by the vote. Now I know how Americans feel when they see Trump running for president.
That's the whole point of democracy for those countries that choose to have it
I didn't think you were.
It's notoriously difficult in Internet communication to convey tone.
It's not ideal, but when posting something tongue-in-cheek, adding a ;wink or a ;whistle can help to clue in other users.
Mrs G. The person who voted out because they want to use imperial weights and measures has just as valid a reason to cast their vote out as Mr Hedgefund Manager from Westminster who chose to vote in. I. E. Personal, vested, interest. Neither voted for the greater good of the UK. It is no surprise to me that that those to lose most SHORT TERM, the ruling elite, stock market traders, bankers, hedge fund managers and the rest of the "cosy club" centered around London and the home counties voted to remain whilst most of the rest of the country voted overwhelmingly out. I think for a long, long time a lot of people in the UK have felt disenfranchised, this vote gave them a simple choice to basically stick two fingers up at what they were told was "best for them" and choose the alternate path. The people who stand to lose the most SHORT TERM are not thinking about Britains LONG TERM interests but, what they stand to lose NOW. This is not just in the UK but the World over. The fat cats are in a panic, ordinary people have had the temerity to go against the grain, and World markets, both stock and currency, are in temporary meltdown. Basically, the rich are cashing in their chips, oh, and by the way still doing rather nicely. This will be a short term phenomenon.
I personally have a lot to lose from this supposed "gamble" as I run my own small business and am about to move house and double my mortgage in the process. I still voted out, not because I am thinking of short term volatility, but because I think in the long run Britain will prosper, free of the EU`s shackles. My kids are coming up 14 and 16, I have voted for them, not me. Yeold: You claim that your generations future has been ruined and that your prospects going forward are rubbish, but fail to back this up with any meaningful analysis. I can tell you one thing, with that attitude you may not be far wrong though. And believe me that is not a personal dig, as there seems to be a general consensus amongst the Remainers that economic doom and gloom and the end of Western Civilization is a foregone conclusion. What they fail to remember is that the deepest, longest, most painful recession occurred whilst we were members of the EU, and the consequences are still being felt.
It seems to me that a lot of Remainers have categorized Outers as old, thick, racist Little Englanders. Funny, but most of the Outers I have spoken to are looking forwards and outwards with renewed enthusiasm and excitement. I think it has been patently obvious for a long time that the EU simply isn`t working and the only people who benefit directly from the EU are the tens of thousands "employed" by the EU.
So Nicola Sturgeon`s lot have now lost two votes, and the "Elite" in London may lose a few quid short term. So what do we hear, Scotland calling for a second referendum and London wants to declare itself an independent sovereign state. Jesus wept. Bloomping inconvenient this democracy lark. Instead of ridiculous posturing and mudslinging surely now is the time to accept the the result and start working towards a brighter future. Surely this must be seen as an opportunity to change things in a positive way, and as much as I hate this expression, lets take back control, because as things stood more and more of our individuality and critical decision making was being ceded the way of Brussels and the nameless, faceless men in grey.
I`m not sure if this is a coincidence, but yesterday was the best day I have had in the shop for months. In fact with the proceeds I`m off this afternoon to order 260 square feet of laminate flooring and I may pick up a pound or two of fresh strawberries on the way back. ;champagne
One of the headlines in the German press apparently went "Well done Little Brtitain"
Even if I had a shred of doubt as to whether voting out was the right thing to do (which I don't) a headline like that would have eliminated it completely for sure
if it's a time to stop mudslinging, why post stuff like: Given the extremely slim majority, it is hard to imagine that those who wanted to remain in the EU are suddenly going to come around to the idea of leaving as though it is a brave new dawn.
You got what you wanted, so you are clearly pleased, but don't expect me to share your enthusiasm, or your optimism.
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Analysis i'm guessing as usual we throw away the experts opinion as that of being "elitist" or "wanting to keep the gravy train going"
It quite simply isn't short term volatility we have a housing market going to explode, with an NHS going down the pan. Young people have already lost out in the last 10 years and will lose out in the next 10 years. Unless you can bank roll your kids for a few years they are going into a world or should i say (closed off fractured UK) where businesses will be looking to recoup their losses through moving out or job losses. If you think the Elite are going to be the ones that shunt the burden under a Tory government then zero point continuing the discussion.
We have already had Nigel Farage and Dan Hannan go back on their word. the 350m will not go to the NHS backed up by good old Nige. Dan Hannan also just confirmed that voting out will not cut immigration and envisages free movement of labour in return for a better economic deal. He complained that immigration wasn't down to 10s of thousands and now says even outside the EU that isn't possible.
People were deliberately sold a pipe dream and people brought it and within 2 days they have back tracked completely.
Btw the recession wasn't an EU phenomenon it was global, triggered in the USA. Being in or out the EU would have made zero difference as every country from China to Russia to the USA would tell you.
Next time you are down in Devon or Cornwall on a family holiday, you might reflect on the lovely clean beaches. And on the fact that although there was nothing stopping the UK cleaning them up and improving water quality, they didn't bother much until they were forced to by the EU.
If you go abroad, you might be happy to find your mobile phone charges are no longer as high as they used to be. And if you phoned your family in Thessaloniki to organise your visit, your international calls are some 80% cheaper than they used to be, again as a result of EU intervention in telecommunications markets.
Women have benefited from EU legislation on equal pay for equal work, as well as pensions rights, where the UK government ignored or, in some cases, actively fought against these rights. I, for one, think that is a good thing. So the hundreds of thousand of people who benefited might disagree that
I could go on, but I haven't time.
Personally speaking, I don't trust the (current) UK govt to to the right thing in this regard, and I expect them to shortly begin unpicking legislation that protects the environment.