The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50

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  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Because no one told the truth.
  • secrethammersfansecrethammersfan
    A point of interest: by the time the UK is ready to leave the EU, a significant portion of those who voted 'Leave' will be dead.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    And what difference does it make that he's Canadian?
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Maybe because it's better not to have a fire than to assure people you have plans in place if one breaks out?

  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Oh I like that.
  • ironmike44ironmike44
    Herb - perhaps you should ask Alan Sugar - he is bound to have a view on it. ;wink
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Sugar is one of this old people who voted Leave ;lol
  • ironmike44ironmike44
    edited June 2016
    Oh come on! I know he is a liar and a cheat but surely even he wouldn't stoop so low ;biggrin
  • IrondukeIronduke
    I mentioned his nationality to see who bit
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    You say that now ;hmm
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Ironduke

    Please don't post things to 'get a reaction'.

    Ta.
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    secrethammersfan said:

    A point of interest: by the time the UK is ready to leave the EU, a significant portion of those who voted 'Leave' will be dead.

    I sincerely hope not ;nonono
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    2 years is a long time in politics, but not that long
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    Just so sad - still not sure how it happened.

    Did 52% of the population take us out of the EU, broke up the UK, scattered the UK economy just starting to edge forward after the financial crisis, sent jobs away for so little in return. In considering risk and reward it just makes no sense.

    My son completed his GCSE's today and came home depressed instead of happy, he looked like someone just sold his future in front of him, broke my heart.
  • simoncsimonc
    I don't see much difference from the "be careful what you wish for" comments last year. It turned out OK & if the Exit is well managed it too can turn out well. I think the UK has a vested interest in creating legislation that benefits the UK unlike the EU which does not.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    edited June 2016
    As a young person. My generation have seriously being ruined. But the pension pot will be the first to be ripped up in 10 to 15 years.
  • LukerzLukerz
    The next 10 years are gonna be great. I'll be 33. Hope it's looking more positive than it is now and that I look back at voting remain as a "what was I doing moment".
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Yeold. Gordon brown destroyed the pensions for people by huge taxation and by selling outfield reserves. Leaving the EU does not directly impact on pensions.
    If the EU is do wonderful why is unemployment so high and most countries in financial chaos.
    Everyone seems to be blaming the over 65s and insinuating that they're ignorant and uneducated. Don't forget they've all been there and done it and know what a complete fiasco it is. It's sole purpose is to be a European state headed by Germany and as such has already applied for a seat on the UN council.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    The EU isn't perfect.

    But at least they built safeguards for people something THIS countries politicians voted against.

    So now we have an economy tanking which will tank further when scotland leaves the UK with more market uncertainty. Giving the tories the perfect excuse for more cuts and austerity.

    My prospects going forward are rubbish.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Yeoldhammer said:

    As a young person. My generation have seriously being ruined. But the pension pot will be the first to be ripped up in 10 to 15 years.

    I'm cashing mine in and putting it in a shoe box under the bed.
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    SuzanneClaret said:

    Yeoldhammer said:

    As a young person. My generation have seriously being ruined. But the pension pot will be the first to be ripped up in 10 to 15 years.

    I'm cashing mine in and putting it in a shoe box under the bed.
    Will there be room with OCS and Hamstew already stashed ;lol
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    ;nonono I didn't think of that!!
  • HamstewHamstew
    Just me under there. OCS made his choice with Ravel
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    So he did.

    So he did.
  • HamstewHamstew
    When am I allowed to come out Suze? It's been weeks now.
  • ironmike44ironmike44
    C&B - in my view it happened because the political elite in the UK became lazy and complacent and allowed the technocrats in Brussels to take more and more control of our lives.

    When considering risk and reward many have looked back and assumed that the future in the EU will look like the past. I took the decision about two months ago to switch off any 'programme' where experts/politicians/celebrities were wheeled on to shout the case for in or out. Instead I tried to spend my time finding out a much as I could about the direction and objectives of the EU - what I found led me to believe, and it's only my opinion, that this is an organisation which has all but run its course. It has no future but extinction and, as it has grown this becomes more likely. I believe that it will very quickly unravel and, personnally I believe the sooner our children and grandchildren are encouraged to look globally rather than at the narrow and unstable confines of the EU the better.

    Finally, I came to the decision to vote leave for the reasons I have tried to articulate above. Not because I'm a racist or an economist or somebody who wants to make a quick buck speculating on the stock market.

    None of us can predict the future but we can at least try to do some research to inform our guess.

    And I'll say again - all of the above is just my opinion. Keep your chin up and encourage your lad to see there is a great big world of opportunity out there. ;ok
  • Dodger58Dodger58
    Moojor said:

    Serious question to those who voted to leave.

    Did you read or research any independant studies which showed we would be better off leaving the EU?

    What did you base your decision on?
    What was a deciding factor for you to vote leave?

    I am honestly interested.

    Moojor try reading something like this ... ukandeu.ac.uk/the-economic-case-for-a-brexit/
  • Dodger58Dodger58
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    Col

    They'll be deciding the next prime minister based on receiving just over 1/3 of the electoral votes.

    I don't think that people would have accepted a referendum vote that only had 36% of the vote.

    Like the logic, just wonder why it doesn't apply to the Remain:Brexit vote
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Hamstew said:

    When am I allowed to come out Suze? It's been weeks now.

    Out!? Out?!

    Not you too!
  • Dodger58Dodger58
    MrsGrey said:

    And how will that go down.

    UK parliament allows a referendum on EU membership.

    Denies the Scots a vote on their own future.

    Untenable, surely?

    Apart from the fact they had one in 2014? There is no hypocrisy here. In my view the hypocrisy is the SNP's who wand to cede power to the EU but don't accept that the sold power to Westminster.

    However, despite the above, I believe Scotland have every right to have a second referendum, make their choice and stick with it. They will have to adopt the Euro and may (or may not) meet the criteria for joining the EU. But the choice should be there's, just as England and Wales's choice was to leave the EU.

    Northern Ireland should also be given an independence vote and Gibraltar should be handed over to the EU (94% is quite a mandate).

    If we believe in democracy we should accept and live by the decisions made in lawful elections - whether we like them or not.
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