Slaven Bilic named as West Ham Manager (09.06.15)
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We were mad at him and for a long time.
It split fans then, and apparently continues to do so now.
I accept that you don't share my view, but I don't think I'm wrong to have felt, and to feel what I do about it, and I was far from the only one feeling like that.
Trust is earned, and while Bilic is doing a good job at the moment, I still have a slightly nervous feeling, qualms if you will, that if he does well, he could be tempted away from us and leave us in the lurch.
With Allardyce we always knew what we were getting.
At the time I said I would support the manager, and he did what he was asked to do. I thought he had just about earned the opportunity to lead the team into the new stadium. I am not the owners and the latter part of last season was dire. They chose not to renew his contract but go in a different direction.
Bilic was not my first choice, I still feel slightly betrayed and consequently, slightly distrustful.
I feel that he has done well so far, but he did inherit much of that squad, and the addition of Cresswell, bringing Collins back, Reid's growth are not down to him.
That said, I have enjoyed doing the double over Liverpool.
Put it this way, I like the way things are going, but am still a little wary.
I may have exaggerated that people felt he was doomed to fail, but there was a lot of "I'll give him a chance but don't see him as an improvement on Sam and don't think he'll have us top six at the end of the year". Yet he has 1) done that 2) arguably, done it in a better style and 3) done it negotiating a tricky pre-season fixture list and then a horrendous injury situation.
Whether you wanted him before or not, no issue. But credit is due and my view is that Sam would be getting a lot more credit if he was still in charge, and I include from people like myself and Twist, than Bilic is getting from those ;hmm when he replaced Sam.
lol
Barely anything was good enough
Oh and I love Bilic
You still seem determined to keep up a 'them and us' split.
I don't get it.
Why does everything have to be about the last manager?
Why not deal with Bilic on his own terms, without making pointless comparisons?
Then based on that work gave him another 2
Only in the last 4 months did I feel he was done and that wasn't all his fault by a long shot.
As soon as Bilic was appointed everything was reset as it was/is/has been for every manager I've backed.
And he's doing a great job. The only peeve I had was Europe......
Great work.
You still seem determined to keep up a 'them and us' split.
I don't get it.
Why does everything have to be about the last manager?
Why not deal with Bilic on his own terms, without making pointless comparisons?
Not at all.
In fact, I think there's barely been any 'them and us' since he left. Fans who wanted him gone have hardly been on here going "I told you so". It's been quite respectful.
Just making an observation. I think last season's first half saw far more positivity than this season.
Just my view though.
Let's just try to keep discussions pointing forwards not back, eh?
Just think it's interesting comparing this season with last.
I don't just mean fans and fans on here. I think the media have barely acknowledged us this season. When you compare the air time Spurs, Palace, Watford and Stoke have received.
Name and shame Luke.....name and shame, I mean who says the R word after a few games??
#LawOfAverages
Nothing to see here ;whome
#BilicOut
You realise by constantly aggressively suppressing this comparison you are forcing it to seep out in comments on all threads as backhanded comments. Those would be less likely to happen if people were to encourage people to discuss it on an appropriate topic, such as here.
I don't care personally. I tolerated Sam, he did a good job and I personally don't want to talk about him, I want to talk about Bilic in his own right. But you can't question someone that wants to compare our current manager with our most recent manager on a discussion board. I'm sorry Grey, I know you're the boss man, but this is all getting ridiculous.
If you want to keep the discussion moving forwards and not backwards, can members please never mention West Ham in the 80's or Bobby Moore and the world cup ever again please? See how ridiculous a request that would be?
To me there is a huge difference in talking about how Sam set up his teams and the differences to how Bilic sets up his teams to talking about how I believe certain users would have responded to the situation depending on the manager.
So imo, Grey is correct, it is a pointless comparison to attempt to discuss what people on this board would or wouldn't have been saying because it has no relevance.
I rather think you missed the point of my comment.
The comparison I was referring to was:
my view is that Sam would be getting a lot more credit if he was still in charge,
which, to me, is pointless as it is a speculation that adds nothing to the debate, whilst inviting the resurrection of old, old, arguments.
I disagree that I am
aggressively suppressing this comparison
There's a whole thread, here: http://www.whu606.com/discussion/8433/
where people can make whatever comparisons they want to, which can be happily ignored by those who aren't interested.
Furthermore, my comment was as one user to another, not in my role as site admin.
I didn't delete anything, or moderate anything, and the comment I personally objected to stayed in place, so in what way would that be 'suppression'?
There was a lot of " ;hmm don't want Bilic, rather keep Sam", in the summer (perfectly legitimate view) but what annoyed me were the sly digs about him running off to Everton and how people only wanted him as he was 'one of us'. Now that Bilic has maybe exceeded expectations they had, there's been little recognition of it.
Maybe I'm just a little bitter from the stick Bilic got in the European adventure and in the first three PL games.
I will stick to strictly Sam/Bilic comparisons, but even then I'm always told to move on.
You know, before he abandons us for Everton.
;whistle
If you want to compare Sam and Bilic you are free to; just use the dedicated thread.
It feels to me like you are trying to find a way to say
'Yah boo sucks! Told you so!' to those who didn't share your initial Bilic enthusiasm, in which case, why not just come out with it, rather than go round the houses?
What if we lose the next 10 games? I'd look an idiot.
What if we go down next season? I'd look an even bigger idiot.
I was just comparing the atmosphere on the board, and speculated what it may have been like if we were doing this well under Sam, based on my experience on this forum last season. I then tied that in to Bilic not getting much recognition in general (media).
I could be wrong, which you suggest, fair enough.