Slaven Bilic named as West Ham Manager (09.06.15)

TwistandShout

grey_til_I_dye said:

Fortune

He's had £115m - he's not had to do it on the cheap.

Im guessing you're getting that figure from a website, may i ask which one G?

Have had a little look around the web myself...

Palace have spent 80 million this season... They are 17th...

Watford, 90 million in 2 seasons...

We are above both teams.

We've moved into a stadium with 52k season ticket holders. Yet our spending is similar to these sides?

I disagree that they have backed Bilic with funds. Especially a side who finished 7th last season, he should have been rewarded with proper money.

But hey, looks like another subject we'll never agree on
;whistle ;wink

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

When you're nearly 100m on the hole, you have to cut your cloth accordingly

Lukerz

And cut it we most certainly have

35,000 and £40m worth of it

grey_til_I_dye

Twist

I posted the link yesterday, as you asked:

http://www.whu606.com/discussion/comment/852761/#Comment_852761

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/west-ham-united/transfers/verein/379

We spent £70m this year and £45m last year.

We are currently 13 points worse off than this time last season.

WBA spent around £32m this season compared to our £70m, £37m the year before.

They finished 14th last year, 19 points behind us. 4 points better off than last year.

Everton about the same as us this season, and last (give or take a couple of million.)

11th, 15 points behind us. They are 9 points better off than last year.

Stoke spent £33m this season, £45m the season before.

9th, 11 points behind us. 6 points worse off than last year.

We have spent as much or more than any of those teams, who are all above us this season.

Your argument that Slav has not had the funds to push on doesn't work.

He has had as much or more than those three teams, and we are doing worse than them.

At the very least, we have matched them in terms of spending, so why not in terms of results?

Are you arguing that none of those managers were backed with proper funds either?

I can think of lots of reasons why we aren't doing as well as last season, but lack of funds isn't one of them.

Just to clarify for those who may be coming late to this: I'm not trying to use this as a stick to beat Slav with, and I'm not trying to suggest that he should be sacked, or has failed.

It's simply to reject Twist's claim that Slav has not been backed with 'proper funds'.

baracks_a_hammer

claretandbluesky said:

Is he getting the best from the players he has? yes

;hmm

Really?

I'd have to disagree here

There is a danger that the reasons for our travails are all being laid at the door of our owners

Pearces_Left_Foot

Part of the reason we have not got as many points this season is Chelsea/Man U have had much better seasons and generally the tops clubs have returned to better form compared to last year. The squad is unbalanced we can all see the problem positions right back and upfront. This summer it needs addressing and if they don't sort it I think questions will be asked of Slav and the board. For the rest of the season it feels like it is fizzling out with a whimper and we need to be careful we don't get dragged down near the bottom. Leicester will be a big test of how we will finish the season.

OldCastleSwift

Questions are getting asked now, PLF. The board and the manager have had two windows to address the issues and have failed to do so.

Ayew has shown signs recently that he may be able to replicate his Swansea form, but Fletcher isn't fancied by Slav, Zaza was a failure and Calleri is decidedly average at best.

The right back situation has been nothing short of farcical, IMO.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Thing is with the owners it's not that they haven't backed the manager that's bothered me, its how they've done it

According to that transfer market page we spent £70mil.....that's good it's hard to argue that isn't a lot of money......but that is on 13 players averaging £5.4 mil for each player

The fact that we've added 13 players (9 if you count payet, tomks leaving and the failed moves of zaza and tore) and still don't seem to have a strong bench is worrying

I'm not sure who is in control of transfers but they need to sort it out as this squad last year didn't need 13 new players

The key word used in rumours is transfer strategy....there was no strategy at all this summer

I feel for both Slav and G&S, as they showed the money, as they are being blamed for the recruitment but it has failed so someone has to take responsibility

The club doesn't need a complete makeover just a key couple of positions which WE HAVE TO ADDRESS (RB and striker again...)

They won't sack bilic unless we are relegated as he's a west ham favourite, plays attacking football and is better than the calibre of managers we can attract right now

Big summer awaits

Pearces_Left_Foot

The poor summer window and the fact Jan window is difficult to sign quality players. Maybe with no European football we can add three /four quality players rather than signing 9/10 squad players. We will see you never know what your going to get at West Ham !

MrsGrey

I think that Bilic's limited managerial experience and connections put him at a disadvantage in terms of identifying and attracting players.

baracks_a_hammer

Bilic was given a right back in arbeloa. Quite why he has hardly played remains a bit of a mystery to me.

Pearces_Left_Foot

Don't we have Tony Henry to find and help sign players ? I was under the impression Slav , Tony and the Daves identified targets and then the Daves try to sign them ;hmm

MrsGrey

Depends who you believe ;wink

Yes, I know it is a 'team effort'. But, for example, I don't think the manager is as big a 'draw' as some other managers are. Notice how many foreign managers sign players from the leagues they have previously managed in. Which is great if you have a reputation and good connections in a league bursting with good players. Less helpful if you have managed (unsuccessfully for a year) in Russia and Turkey.

I'm not saying it's the reason for our signings not always working out. Just that is is a factor.

Also, I do believe that Slav has the final word on who he wants or doesn't.

OldCastleSwift

baracks_a_hammer said:

Bilic was given a right back in arbeloa. Quite why he has hardly played remains a bit of a mystery to me.

But is that the issue ;hmm That he was 'given' a right back. Did he want Arbeloa? Or did Sullivan? We know Sully has an active hand in transfers so it may be that Slav said 'I want a right back' and Sully said 'Arbeloa's available on a free'.

Equally, it could be that Slav wanted him but he's a trouble-maker. Or rubbish. His pedigree is unquestionable but that fact that he has hardly kicked a ball, given out struggles in that position, is a bit baffling, I agree.

alderz

MrsGrey said:

I think that Bilic's limited managerial experience and connections put him at a disadvantage in terms of identifying and attracting players.

I don't accept that argument, tbh.

He has managed in multiple countries, been a fairly high profile national team coach, managed in European competitions, etc. I think most people would agree that his first window was one of the best in memory.

I agree with the strategy comment that someone made above. My view, and I can't support this with evidence or comparison, it is just the conclusion I have drawn over time, is that we are not alone as a club in identifying multiple players for each position we are interested in (no problem with that), but that we have our head turned from our efforts too easily.

So, we had multiple striking targets last summer. Fine. Good. I'm happy with that. But then when Ayew became available we signed an attacking midfielder instead. Same happened when we signed Downing. And then all of a sudden we have too many in one position and not enough in another.

I have full confidence that we will go into this summer looking for a RB and ST as priorities. But I also feel that, if we don't have immediate success in either position, and a good deal on a CB or a LW turns up we'll go for that instead.

Moojor

I just had a thought, I know, it's Monday and the brain may or may not be working. But I wonder how many of our buys this season where also based around Payet being in the team.

There was a huge amount said about the fact that when he was playing the whole team played better. Did we buy players who would be able to do a better job when you had Payet doing amazing things.

But as he decided that he just didn't care, then we basically lost the creativity we needed and then when he finally went, we just don't have that spark that we need to gel?

OutcastLondoner

I think Payet and Europa played a big part in our problems. We tried to expand the squad to cope with the extra games and we focused on positions that complemented Payet/an attacking game. In the end, we didn't get Europa and Payet apparently affected the team mood. What I don't understand is January.

We really need to have a better window in the summer and I think we might.

Pearces_Left_Foot

Someone's blog saying they think the Dave's will sack him, because it's 'what they do'.

http://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-winners-and-losers-60

TwistandShout

MrsGrey said:

I think that Bilic's limited managerial experience and connections put him at a disadvantage in terms of identifying and attracting players.

He coached Croatia.

;hmm

MrsGrey

And?

SuzanneClaret

Pearces_Left_Foot said:

Someone's blog saying they think the Dave's will sack him, because it's 'what they do'.

http://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-winners-and-losers-60

But they don't, they have always been very loyal to their managers.

Fortuneseeker

IF we had the funds it would be an interesting test to see if Slav could attract a few of the top Croatian players to join us due his standing in his home country and that doesn't include Mandzukic

MrsGrey

suz, imo that whole article is rubbish. ;ok

Fortuneseeker

Suz, some might say too loyal at times. ;ok

SuzanneClaret

No Fortune I don't think so.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Since they bought us 7 years ago we've had 4 managers

If you look at it that Grant deserved the sack as he got us relegated and when they bought us Zola had lost the team then it reads as 2 managers in 5 years with none of them being sacked before the last game of the season

Say what you want about the owners but they aren't the fire hire fire hire type

Fortuneseeker

Suz, I was referring to them keeping Avram Grant when there were far better options available. ;ok

brookingsirons

I also worry about the LB position Cresswell has been poor this season since his injury not the same player imo , I feel for the two CB when they have to keep covering for both left and right backs who are always caught or out of position
its not a good grounding for clean sheets we are hopeless at defending and cause our own problems in the first minutes of games with so much going forward but not much thought about what happens when we lose the ball .

;ok

IronHerb

That's spot on Brookings.

thornburyiron

Slav said on Thursday that he doesn't feel any pressure from David Sullivan saying after the Bournemouth game that he was very disappointed and the defensive lapses had to stop.
If he was disappointed at the lapses in that game then I wouldn't like to guess what he thought about today's three goals.