Summer Transfer Speculation (its just two months away)

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  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    GK: Hermansen, Areola, Foderingham
    RWB: AWB, KWP
    LWB: Diouf, Scarles
    CB: Tobido, Kilman, Aguerd, Mavropanos
    CM: JWP, Potts, Paqueta, Soucek
    ATT: Fullkrug, Bowen, Summerville, Guilherme

    That's assuming the 5 that Luke mentioned al leave, which seems unlikely

    Take that as 19 senior players, 3 of whom actually wouldn't need registering as they are u21 and born after 1st Jan 2004

    Deffo looking short across the board, hope we can do some incomings.... we are desperate
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    I don't think Potter would have started Rodriguez against Sunderland if he had plans to let him leave any time soon

    Fabrizio Romano reckons Álvarez is in talks with Fenerbahce plus two more clubs interested

    C&H think Irving could be gone this week, destination unknown, but no news on Emerson or Cornet

    Given the problems we've had with FSR recently we probably have to get someone out before we can get someone in
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Problem with selling someone like Alvarez is we wont make a profit so it doesnt help much

    We bought him for £35mil o na 5 year deal, so his book value is £20mil which is roughly what were after based on reports

    Maybe our wages are a problem which would be equally concerning given we let go of a few on frees this summer in Ings, Fab, Antonio, Cresswell & Coufal
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    edited August 18
    It must be heart breaking for Palace this summer. Won the FA Cup and then got demoted from the Europa league, now two of their best player look to be leaving in Eze and Guehi, That's like us losing Bowen and.........well, Bowen.

    It gets worse as Eze looks to be heading to Spurs and will make them stronger as he is a great player in my view.
  • WhitehorsehammerWhitehorsehammer
    Fortuneseeker said:

    @Lukerz, Nine out & how many in?

    Should be keeping Alvarez but GP knows best or does he?

    I agree we should keep Alvarez.

  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Various sources have Alvarez on £100k pw, joint 5th highest paid with Kilman, behind Ward-Prowse (£115k), Areola (£120k), Paqueta and Bowen (£150k).

    Below Alvarez are Emerson (£95k), Wan-Bissaka, Fullkrug, Soucek (£90k), Rodriquez (£75k), Cornet (£65k) and Aguerd (£50k)

    Think I might know why we're having trouble "shifting" players...
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    Various sources have Alvarez on £100k pw, joint 5th highest paid with Kilman, behind Ward-Prowse (£115k), Areola (£120k), Paqueta and Bowen (£150k).

    Below Alvarez are Emerson (£95k), Wan-Bissaka, Fullkrug, Soucek (£90k), Rodriquez (£75k), Cornet (£65k) and Aguerd (£50k)

    Think I might know why we're having trouble "shifting" players...

    Assume that the wages is our restriction given Alvarez is going on loan...because if not a loan makes no sense

    Genuinely would be surprised though, we shifted Ings £120k, Kudus £90k, Antonio £80k, Cresswell £50k, Fabianski £50k and Coufal £35k

    I dont really understand why we are so restricted this window, we made a £57mil profit for the 23/24 season our 3 year rolling average should be alright (£18mil loss for 22/23) even if last year we made a loss
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    Ward-Prowse on £115kpw, where's that shaking head emoji?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited August 19
    https://www.claretandhugh.info/west-ham-revenue-set-to-plummet/

    Income reduction of around £50m compared to last year, the result of low league finish, no Europe etc.

    There'll also have been a big sum on the negative column also for paying off Lopetegui and his team. (Edit - £3-£5m, apparently + another £2m+ to get Potter.)

    Steiden - not sure if he got a payoff?

    It all adds up.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Yep, last season was horrendous. We had our first season out of Europe for four years, yet spent as if we were going to finish in the top 8. We didn’t. We also sacked a manager & his staff, no doubt huge pay-outs after the signing on fees we spent to sign them. We then brought in Potter & his staff, again with signing on fees no doubt paid. All that to finish 14th. It was pretty poor from a financial perspective. This is why we are not spending another £150m.
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    It could be worse, at least we are not dealing with the Isak debacle
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    edited August 19
    I think Isak is claiming that promises were broken and that he had been told he could leave for the right price. I am not sure who he thinks decides what is the right price? him? the buying club? or the club that holds his registration and are under contract to pay him a handsome salary at present. If he wanted to decide the price then insist a release clause and a figure, but he didn't. Another entitled footballer. He should be like Dec and say I would like to go if you are interested in selling me but if not I will stay and see out my contract.

    Liverpool I imagine are simply holding out to provide Newcastle less time to spend the money. I hope he is a flop for them.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Jacob Steinberg (Guardian) says we've made an improved offer for Mateus Fernandes

    C&H reckon Alvarez was almost on his way to Turkey for a medical but received a couple of offers yesterday

    Fenerbahçe deal would be a loan with option to buy, all his wages paid and a substantial loan fee but Alvarez's preferred club (Ajax?) would only cover half his wages with a smaller loan fee
  • WhitehorsehammerWhitehorsehammer
    He is the best holding midfielder we have, captain of his national sIde I cannot understand why we would let him go. I can understand why several clubs would want him. IMO of course.
  • alderzalderz
    I think the main thing, though, is that even with him in the side our midfield is dysfunctional. If he’s the only one people want to take off us, and letting him go means we can get someone who can actually work with one of what we already have, then I get it.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited August 20
    He’s not a good holding midfielder - saying he is the best we have is not a great way to go about improving a side. He may be one of our better midfielders in comparison to the rest, but he is not a good DM.

    Reckless, slow, rash - to be good in that role you have to have an excellent temperament & be disciplined. His yellow card record is awful, as is his tackling. Positionally he often gets caught too high & is slow getting back into position. I don’t think he’s great in the air, either. Then when you consider his passing, that is pretty woeful.

    If he ends up on loan at Fenerbache that says it all - a side most PL sides would beat.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    edited August 20
    @Lukerz, That’s really cheered me up, I like a good laugh. His & Kudus departure highlight issues with the club but that is IMHO.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:


    Genuinely would be surprised though, we shifted Ings £120k, Kudus £90k, Antonio £80k, Cresswell £50k, Fabianski £50k and Coufal £35k

    But they were all out of contract bar Kudus, so didn't so much shift them more not renew their contracts.
  • WhitehorsehammerWhitehorsehammer
    If we let Alvarez go as our most saleable midfielder we must hope we can replace him with someone better, with not a lot of the window left.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Tackles per game: Alvarez leads with 2.3, ahead of Rodríguez (1.6), Souček (1.5), and Ward-Prowse (1.2)
    Interceptions: Again, Alvarez tops the chart with 1.9, compared to Souček (1.1), Ward-Prowse (0.8), and Rodríguez (0.6)
    Pass completion: Alvarez boasts 88%, bettering Ward-Prowse (86%), Rodríguez (85%), and Souček (82%)
    Ball recoveries: He leads this category as well
    Aerial duels: Second only to Souček
    Creative output: Ward-Prowse leads in assists and key passes, as expected

    Someone has done an analysis, it's not me by the way =)
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    That's interesting.

    Is it for all games he's played since signing, or for a specific period?

    I wonder if the stats show a difference since we became a possession based team 😀

    Also, it would be interesting to dive deeper into those stats. Where did you get them from?
  • alderzalderz
    I’d suggest that person hasn’t “done an analysis” and has picked out stats that help support their pre-existing view. I’m not going to look because I don’t have my laptop where I am, but if anyone cares to look at his fouls committed, progressive passes, yellow cards, average pass distance, and dribbled past stats, I think they are also very important for that position.

    If anyone is legitimately interested in how stats help understand players, there’s a very good stats based West Ham podcast on YouTube called Analytics United. They will always mention how pass completion % doesn’t mean anything really, because a 100% pass success rate of 100% 5 yard sideways and backwards passes is sort of meaningless.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    MrsG, This is the article -
    https://www.claretandhugh.info/the-data-that-shouts-west-ham-ditching-the-wrong-player/
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited August 20
    Matt Kemp, says he used to write for OLAS although can't say I've heard of him

    C&H have a lot of different writers since Hugh Southon died

    "data from last season" although doesn't say where he got it

    Not Whoscored, different stats and Ward-Prowse has a better pass success score

    OPTA maybe?
  • alderzalderz
    The standard place to take it from these days would be FBRef or WhoScored. If memory serves, WhoScored data is supplied by Opta, and to actually get to Opta as a source you have to pay.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    If a ' journalist ' is citing stats to back up their argument, they should say where they got them from.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    Like many of our players his performance has dropped away, especially once Lopetgui arrived. It was not too long ago that we were all claiming Tim Steiden a genius for bringing Kudus and Alveraz to the side, now they will both be gone together it seems.

    Were they not the players we thought? Do we no longer play to a system they can be best used? Have they become jaded by the new managers and club?
    I would rather keep Alveraz than JWP and Roderiguez but I guess as has been mentioned there are probably no takers for them.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    MrsGrey said:

    If a ' journalist ' is citing stats to back up their argument, they should say where they got them from.

    He’s not a journalist, he’s just a West Ham fan posting on blog although he was also a contributor to one of the most popular fanzines, Over Land And Sea

    This is the problem, anyone can post something on the internet and people don’t question it

    What we need to do is scrutinize the evidence
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Hence my inverted commas, Aslef :+1:
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    edited August 21
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    This is the problem, anyone can post something on the internet and people don’t question it

    And that is why society is ungovernable at present!
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