Official new manager - Julen Lopetegui

Fortuneseeker

@jay_in_cpt, It depends on what you believe bold is? Bringing Graham Potter is the type of normal decision we would make isn’t it. A bold one would be to get a manager out of his contract but David Sullivan doesn’t do that does he?

Lukerz

Yes can’t wait to bring in another freebie manager that nobody wants who is not suited to the club

jay_in_cpt

MrsGrey said:

Oh my goodness. Are you not a fan of the manager, then?

It's not my job to do that, but in life it's okay to say you made a mistake, and IMHO J Lo is just that, who his replacement is, I have no idea, but in my heart I know J Lo is WRONG...that's it!!!

MrsGrey

Surely bold ( by your definition) for bolds sake is utterly pointless.

If you want a new manager, surely you want the best man for the job?

If he happens to be free, why slam the board for appointing him?

Or do you just want to splash the cash to make a point?

No point in that, imo.

claretandbluesky

If trying to be as objective and rational about it as you can be as a fan I would say there is more to the question of whether Lopetgui is good enough at present, as the other part of that decision is who can we get in to replace him at this time? And that's the problem for me as I am not really enthused by any of the names mentioned.

I don't feel we will be relegated nor reach the Euro places of the league whether we sack him or not so my main issue is who can we get in, and I think we may have different possibilities in the summer. I am sure the club have been making enquires and if someone who looks ideal is available I would be happy to let him go, but my fear is we get rid, then select from a poor group of availability only to find we didn't improve and need look again in the summer.

jay_in_cpt

@MrsGrey bold, brave, call it what you want, ask fans who go to the matches, like IH, I watch on TV. live, week in week out, this is DIRE, yeh, we're playing a great Liverpool, but my point is we have IMO been VERY VERY LUCKY with the points we.ve got, something is VERY WRONG and J LO is the top of that list IMO

MrsGrey

For me, I want a manager who can make the individual players play to they full potential. ( Or better)

I want a manager who can get us to overachieve. Because we are never going to be able to compete on equal terms with the big spending clubs.

It looks to me so far that the current manager can't do that, although it is early days. I am less concerned with style, more about results.

We've had 0 shots on target today. That's abysmal.

MrsGrey

jay_in_cpt said:

I watch on TV. live, week.in week out

As do I, apart from the rare occasion where I can't.

jay_in_cpt

Exactly Mrs Grey, I have no personal agenda with J Lo but sadly I said it from the word go, I don't think he suits us, to be satisfied how we are playing with what money has been spent, something is NOT Right whether Steiden is part of the problem I don't know, but I'd love us to make the change.....sooner rather than later, IMO it's just a matter of time, so why wait.....

IronHerb

Lukerz said:

Yes can’t wait to bring in another freebie manager that nobody wants who is not suited to the club

Well yes, especially when we've already met that criteria with J Lo.

I wouldn't say nobody wants Potter and as to 'suited to the club' well he developed a team and ethos at Brighton both of which are, sadly, currently missing at West Ham.

MrsGrey

But they couldn't score goals.


Actually, maybe he'll fit right in 😂

BubblesNeverDies

MrsGrey said:

But they couldn't score goals.


Actually, maybe he'll fit right in 😂

Ah oui , le mot juste

IronHerb

They didn't, but they certainly created more chances than we tend to do.

Lukerz

I found, from what I watched, Potter’s football incredibly dull at Brighton. Pointless possession, wasteful win chances & constantly taking sideways & backwards options.

alderz

I found Potter’s Brighton team to be far, far more entertaining than anything we’ve seen at West Ham in a long while. He also transitioned them from a side managed by Chris Hughton that was largely a solid workhorse side. I’d be very optimistic about him transforming us into something a lot closer to what we’d like to be.

chicagohammer

I am thinking the issue is probably moot as, being both available and qualified, I hope that we at least engaged with him during the search for DMs replacement so I can only assume there was a reason that it was not followed through upon.

Lukerz

Ex says his job is safe.

OutcastLondoner

I think it will take a really bad run of maybe 4 or 5 losses for Lop to get sacked. Today certainly wasn’t going to make a difference when Liverpool have punished plenty others this season.

We’re halfway to safety and while it’s been horrible to watch, we’ve managed to pick up points quite regularly. I think that ability to somehow grind something out will buy him the chance to try and show he can make some progress by the end of the season.

These owners haven’t sacked managers mid-season very often and I don’t think we’re in a position that will make them do it now.

We just have to put up with what we’re seeing while we wait.

alderz

He’ll be here for at least the season, probably the whole of his contract. I’m on and off the fence like nobodies business at the moment, but the reality is that he’s very unlikely to leave unless something dire happens results wise.

EXETERHAMMER

'Horrible to watch' is not why I support West Ham. We should be able to pick up enough points and play much better football.
I can take a roller-coaster ride, but dross football is not good enough for West Ham.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Other than Leicester where I thought we were hard done by, we've lost to the best teams in the league and yea they've been pretty heavy but the defence is clearly our biggest issue and an issue Lopetegui inherited

He's not gonna be sacked based off losing to Liverpool, Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Spur, Villa or a top 4 chasing Notting Forrest

On paper we lose to all of those. The manner of those defeats have been, in a word, pathetic but that's still games we likely lose regardless of who the manager is, Moyes included

He picks up points vs the teams he needs to beat to keep himself in job imo

Don't really seethe benefit of sacking him given the (lack of) options right now

Maybe Potter but honestly I've for what his Brighton were like, his Chelsea were dire and Brighton have gone from strength to strength

Ravel49

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AC Milan are set to sack head coach Paulo Fonseca and replace him with ex-Porto boss Sergio Conceicao, according to Sky in Italy.
(one of many linked here earlier).

Fortuneseeker

@Ravel49, Is this the same AC Milan that are eighth in Serie A & are in the play off positions in the Champions League 🤔?

jay_in_cpt

While he “picks up points against teams , IMO we should be doing so “ for the most they have bern shocking performances to match, and we’ve also been more than fortunate in many of these games IMO.

It’s just my opinion of course, perhaps time will tell, but when you are constantly reading ex players, journalists who have been in football long enough to know what they are talking about, we at the moment are one of the MOST UNATTRACTIVE teams to watch, clueless at times, something I really hate….We are cringe worthy for most of the time, J Lo has not improved one single player he inherited or probably bought for that matter….Hopeless

Lukerz

Ex players, pundits & journalists may have opinions & some may be more valid than others - I mean, Jamie O’Hara?

The issue I think depends on how ‘good’ you think this West Ham team is. I think it is incredibly average, some West Ham fans will have you believe Todibo, Wan-Bissaka, Kudus & Bowen should all be playing for Real Madrid whilst Bowen is world class & Summerville the next best thing. I see a group of average footballers, where Bowen is our most consistent performer by far, & our next most consistent (which to me, defines ‘best’) is nearly 40 years old.

Lopetegui seems to take the flack for the side. Not the owner, not the players, not the technical director who signed most of these average performers.

Lopetegui’s CV:
Spain U19s - won Championship
Spain U21s - won Championship
Porto - reached quarter finals of Champions League
Spain - qualified for 2018 World Cup
Real Madrid - only in charge 2 months
Sevilla - qualified for the Champions League, won Europa League
Wolves - finished 13th

Overall career win rate 55.9%. Is that really not good enough for a West Ham coach? He may not be the right ‘fit’, but he has demonstrated his credentials as a coach.

It’s time to start asking more questions of these ‘supposed’ quality players we ‘apparently’ have. I agree Lopetegui is probably a ‘dead man walking’. But some of these players should be embarrassed with what they are serving up.

IronHerb

Perhaps he peaked early.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Unless the manager we get in is our 1stchoice out of all the option I don't want a change of manager

Lopetegui won't get us relegated, so yea we can sack him now but if Potter or whoever is employed only becuase they're available I'd rather we wait

Spend now and the summer working out who we want next, and don't consider anyone not in a job we don't want another freebie who's killing time till their next employment....although Klopp would be too bad I guess

BubblesNeverDies

We need Ted Lasso

Pengeman

Many EPL clubs have thrived under foreign managers (Liverpool Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Aston Villa) but that doesn't seem to the case at WHU (Zola, Grant, Bilic, Pellegrini). Why might that be when Moyes could get the best of a small squad. Is it training methods, language, player not receptive, dud players or something else? Other Clubs can and have solved these problems, why can't WHU?

claretandbluesky

I think the next manager to go will be Ruud Van Nistleroy, despite him only just arriving. I don't think he knows what he is doing and is another passion over tactical know how.