Official new manager - Julen Lopetegui

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  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Two worst defences in 2024 so 0-0 a good bet.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    edited December 6
    Lukerz said:

    If the rumours are true about Todibo, his loan needs to be ended immediately.

    Why is that?
    Who is more important to the future of the team J Lo or Todibo. Are you going to say we need to sell Kudus? Would you have not signed Di Canio or Julian Dicks?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Todibo is on a season's loan.

    I really don't think he's all that important, when compared to other important things.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Fortuneseeker said:

    Lukerz said:

    If the rumours are true about Todibo, his loan needs to be ended immediately.

    Why is that?
    Who is more important to the future of the team J Lo or Todibo. Are you going to say we need to sell Kudus? Would you have not signed Di Canio or Julian Dicks?
    The manager is more important than a player, doesn't matter who it is. Or shall we get rid of a manager every time he falls out with a player?
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    AFAIK, Todibo has met the terms to make it an automatic purchase at the end of the season, unless we get relegated. There's no way whatsoever to send him back unless the worst happens.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    buffybegood said:

    AFAIK, Todibo has met the terms to make it an automatic purchase at the end of the season, unless we get relegated. There's no way whatsoever to send him back unless the worst happens.

    In that case, Luke's point is moot and we don't need to discuss it, because we can't send him back. unless there's something else in the loan agreement about gross misconduct or whatever.
  • stevesteve
    What did he do that was so bad .all I heard was Bowen pulled him away from J.L .Big deal if that was all
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

    Fortuneseeker said:

    Lukerz said:

    If the rumours are true about Todibo, his loan needs to be ended immediately.

    Why is that?
    Who is more important to the future of the team J Lo or Todibo. Are you going to say we need to sell Kudus? Would you have not signed Di Canio or Julian Dicks?
    The manager is more important than a player, doesn't matter who it is. Or shall we get rid of a manager every time he falls out with a player?
    But he's fallen out with Todibo, Kudus and Ward-Prowse. Not bad in 5-6 months.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited December 6
    Has he?

    Do spill the beans of all your inside knowledge!
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited December 7
    It’s hard to judge Lopetegui.

    His CV is strong. He’s managed in the PL before with relative success. He’s dealt with big players & personalities.

    Our form this season is very poor, but it also was the second half of last season & the whole of the season before, as well as half of the season before that! So in the last 36 months, we’ve had 24 months of poor (league) form. Is this a JL issue or a wider one?

    I don’t like the idea of players falling out with a manager. Their job is to perform whilst the manager carries the can. That’s how it works. Players have a win-win. Play well & they’re heroes & do it long enough they get big moves, play badly & they keep getting their pay & stay in a job. The manager knows that 10 poor results leads to a sacking.

    I genuinely don’t believe there are many ‘available’ managers out there right now that will turn us around within the busiest period of the PL season. Possibly in the summer for next season, but not now. I think we have a weak core to the team & a poor mentality, probably due to losing games for most of 2024.

    Lopetegui obviously believes in hard work, being demanding of yourself & this probably transmits in his personality, which I can imagine is not necessarily the warmest. He is probably quite direct & this will rub certain players up the wrong way; doesn’t mean it’s wrong, though. The players have to get on with it & start to perform & buy into his way. He has success on his CV. He is not a fluke. Lots of these players also never turned up for Moyes & got thrashed 5-0, 6-0, 5-2 as a result on a fairly regular basis. Lopetegui has won a couple of trophies. Most of our squad haven’t.

    Todibo, for example, not happy with being called out by Lopetegui. Start playing properly then. Some players are way too protected these days & not open to any criticism. Start working hard, being focused & trying to produce your best football.

    We can see that the football is slowly developing, Tuesday was evidence of this, but our weak nature & flimsy defending cost us. Lopetegui didn’t miss 31 attempts. There is an argument that the defence we have is not suited to playing a higher line with attacking full-backs. That is something he’ll need to rectify as we will keep conceding goals if he doesn’t until we sign players in the defence who can play that system.
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    edited December 7
    I do think there are managers out there...
    Terzic (I would like)
    Potter
    Hjulmand
    Allegri
    Coneicao
    Sarri
    Whether they would come is another matter. But they are available.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited December 7
    I don’t think there is a chance any of those turn our season around, especially coming in mid season.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    What do you mean 'turn our season round'? I'm sure some of them would establish a recognisable pattern of play from which you could improve performances.
    The fact that there is no discernible improvement shows JLo has little to offer.
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    West Ham would consider Middlesbrough boss Michael Carrick should they sack current manager Julen Lopetegui. (Mirror), external

    Former Chelsea and Brighton boss Graham Potter is also on West Ham's radar, but may be in line for the manager's job at RB Leipzig, should current head coach Marco Rose get the sack. (Sun)
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    West Ham considered Massimiliano Allegri as a successor to current boss Julen Lopetegui but the cost involved makes it a probable non-starter. (Football Insider)
  • MIAHammerMIAHammer
    Lukerz said:

    If the rumours are true about Todibo, his loan needs to be ended immediately.

    What’s the rumour?
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    MIAHammer said:

    Lukerz said:

    If the rumours are true about Todibo, his loan needs to be ended immediately.

    What’s the rumour?
    That there was a big falling out between Todibo and J-Lo, and possibly punches thrown (all unsubstantiated at this point).

  • WhitehorsehammerWhitehorsehammer
    That would be a shame if we lost Todibo he looked to be one of our better acquisitions.
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    Allegri is available
  • LukerzLukerz
    We’ve won 1 less game than Brighton, Fulham & Spurs. We’re 9 clear of the bottom three.

    I’d give him the season & review in the summer.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Ex saying we have advanced the talks with Potter and JLo is now under threat.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited December 12
    Potter would be very underwhelming
  • stevesteve
    Most of the names who are out of work seem underwhelming to me
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    edited December 12
    If wanting a real gamble we could look at Danny Rohl at Sheffield Wednesday. He is well thought of in terms of potential. He kept them up last season after arriving with them seven points adrift at the bottom of the Championship. He has them mid table at present 6 points off the play offs but he has very little to work with.

    He has been assistant manager at Leipzig, Bayern Munich and the German national side before taking his first coaching role at Wednesday. It would be a brave man to take the gamble but you could be getting an up and coming star as he is only 35.
  • alderzalderz
    Potter was my preferred name in the summer, but I think anyone coming in mid-season would have a tough job on
  • stevesteve
    Not sure it would be that tough ,we do have good players at lest good enough for mid table .Then go again in the summer transfer window .
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited December 15
    Using Forest as an example as to why things take time.

    So Nuno was there last season, didn’t pull up any trees, they struggled for prolonged periods. Was appointed December 2023. They were 17th in the table, 5 points clear of the bottom three.

    By end of the season, they were 17th in the table, 6 points clear of the bottom three.

    6 of yesterday’s starting 11 (Sels, Murillo, Yates, Hudson-Odoi, Gibbs-White, Elanga, Wood) played the final game of last season, where they finished 17th. 2 of the 11 on that day were subs yesterday, the other starter is injured long-term (Danilo). Only one player no longer involved in the squad now who started that game.

    Forest are now 4th. Nuno has been there just under a year.

    I still want to give JL time & don’t see why we can’t give him the season. He’s been in charge for 16 games.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    I'm not his greatest fan.....But, we are all human, always a terrible time losing a loved one.......https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cy53046re0zo
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