Couldn't think - from Dec 2022
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West Ham were the best club in the world right up until Arteta got in his ear whilst we were in a relegation battle.
A touch flippant, and it's easy to be cynical when you've been burnt. He's very PR savvy and I guess he's got to be seen to be saying the right thing, but it's quite galling to see him so 'at home' already after all the posturing about what a special place West Ham is.
He is media savvy and is also endearing himself to a new club. It's hardly surprising.
Maybe the thread should be reopened as clearly some of us still have something to say
It's clear that the tram was going way too fast, and that the curve that caused the derailment was very sharp and had a low speed limit. In this day and age, surely it should be possible for trams (and similarly trains and tube-trains) to be able to have automatic over-rides fitted and programmed such that if said vehicle passes a 20mph activation point at faster than that speed then the brakes are triggered. This could be done in stages, such as a 30mph activation point and a 40mph activation point further up the track, to avoid the need for extreme braking should the vehicle be travelling much faster than is safe.
We have ATP on every Tube line apart from the Piccadilly and Bakerloo where the trains were built in the 1970s and the signal systems are basically unchanged since the 1950s
Retro-fitting ATP across the tram network would cost billions and TfL (who took over the trams in 2008) simply can't afford the upgrade
A more important question is why was a tram driver so fatigued that they fell asleep "on the handle"
This was the first major incident on the Croydon trams in 16 years so to me this is a failure of shift management rather than a failure of the system
I'm surprised it wasn't included in something as recent as the mid 90s if the technology was there, and, tbh, surprised that it would cost quite so much to retrofit given the tram network is basically just 2 lines isn't it, and they share some sections of track as well? How many low speed bends are there on the 2 lines?
Another bravura performance from Barney Ronay.
Some parts made me laugh out loud at the extravagant imagery.
Some parts I wasn't sure what he was going on about.
But mostly I'm just loving something different from all that dreary, dreadful vanity blogging and semi-literate nonsense masquerading as journalism.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/28/chelsea-pay-uefa-10m-as-incomplete-financial-reporting-sanction#
In that time they won the Champions League and 2 Europa Leagues.
Why are they not being stripped of their titles?
Reprimand
Fines
Points deduction
Withholding of revenue from a UEFA competition
Prohibition to register new players for UEFA competitions
Restrictions on how many players a club can register for UEFA competitions
Disqualification from a competition in progress
Exclusion from future competitions
Premier League FFP possible sanctions
Compensation
Cancel or refuse registration of players
Conditional punishment
The order for matches to be replayed
Points deductions
Suspension of club
Expulsion of club
Order the club pay costs
Other order as is deemed fit
https://metro.co.uk/2023/02/06/what-is-financial-fair-play-and-what-punishments-can-clubs-face-18230784/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66342566
Can't understand why other clubs don't challenge that.
I guess it's all about the money. Rather than the silverware.
I was thinking that the silverware goes onto the record and later on everyone forgets that a particular cup/title was tainted.
I suppose ' the moments ' can't be taken away whatever later punishments are imposed.
I was sort of making a mental comparison with Olympic doping scandals, and how at least the dodgy competitors are stripped of their medals.
You are right, the subsequent 'medallists' often talk of how they missed out on the jubilation and celebration of the moment. So to the athletes, that's a big thing.
Maybe in football, dodgy goings on have been relatively rare ( or not picked up, anyway), especially since ffp, so clubs and players haven't given it too much thought. If it's going to be a thing, I can see pressure likely to change the list of sanctions.
The contract went to Engineering Support Group Ltd in Derby (owned by Deutsche Bahn) and the project was suppose to be completed by the end of 2019 although I can't find any mention of how much it cost or details of how it works
Trams generally have simpler systems than trains and Croydon was the first tram network in the UK to have an automatic braking system. Also note that ESG Ltd had to develop a system, suggesting that there wasn't an existing system used in other countries that was suitable
Just found a BBC report from 22 October 2019 which says trackside sensors monitor speeds and apply the brakes if trams are going too fast so I guess the system uses radio signals or microwave to communicate. Also mentions the difficulty in retro fitting a new system onto 20 year old trams
Another problem is part of the routes are shared with other road users (buses, cars, etc,) and fitting sensors on those sections might be difficult
I also read a few articles yesterday, mention of the contract award for retrofitting, and a couple of things saying a system for the worst sections (what I initially was thinking about) would be fitted by the end of 2019, but very little if anything at all actually confirming it has been successfully completed, and no mention at all that I could find of the likely cost.
Apart from those few articles, mostly from 2019, there's next to no information out there, is there? Given that this has all been in the news again recently you'd have thought that some mention, even in passing, of the new system (alongside improvements to staff welfare/shift patterns etc) would have been made to show that recommendations from the accident investigation have been acted upon.
Says all recommendations implemented.
Including automatic braking, plus in-cab systems for detecting driver distraction or fatigue.