The Transfer Window

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  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    edited July 2022
    Speculation thread : just saying perhaps people forget this or the meaning of the word ‘ speculation’ just saying 👍🏻😜⚒️⚒️⚒️
  • HamstewHamstew
    Yeah I thought it was pretty obvious.
  • SlackerSlacker
    Mmm, there’s speculation and there’s “ This won’t happen “ type stuff, I think that might be the difference.
  • SlackerSlacker
    Was just wondering why there’s an “English premium “ regarding transfers?
    I mean this bloke we’re hopefully signing scored virtually a goal every two games in Italy last season, if that was an English striker you’d be looking at £ 50 m at least wouldn’t you?
    It can’t just be because they know the league can it?
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    edited July 2022
    Slacker said:

    Was just wondering why there’s an “English premium “ regarding transfers?
    I mean this bloke we’re hopefully signing scored virtually a goal every two games in Italy last season, if that was an English striker you’d be looking at £ 50 m at least wouldn’t you?
    It can’t just be because they know the league can it?

    Do think the English premium isn't as bad as it used to be, but there are reasons

    - Home grown status, only 17 spots for foreign players
    - familiar with the league, how many players don't adjust coming from outside The UK
    - used to the country/culture
    - buying from a rival
    - English clubs have more money club by club compared to other leagues where the money is often distributed to benefit the top 3 teams, therefore Prem temas have less incentive to let players go on the cheap
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Fortune, Charter / private OK, but not a scheduled Easyjet for instance.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Sky report Scamacca is still in Italy & will be until the final details on terms are sorted. Once they are, he is expected to fly to England to complete a medical & the deal.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    jay_in_cpt said:

    Speculation thread : just saying perhaps people forget this or the meaning of the word ‘ speculation’ just saying 👍🏻😜⚒️⚒️⚒️

    Absolutely.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Kostic is very much classed as a left midfielder on the various stat sites. No mention of him being a LB or LWB.
  • LukerzLukerz
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Lukerz said:

    Kostic is very much classed as a left midfielder on the various stat sites. No mention of him being a LB or LWB.

    He is not a LB

    Plays LW/LM, only plays LWB/LM when Serbia or Frankfurt play with a back three

  • LukerzLukerz
  • alderzalderz
    edited July 2022
    Lukerz said:

    Kostic is very much classed as a left midfielder on the various stat sites. No mention of him being a LB or LWB.

    Part of the reason for that, I reckon, is that a lot of the stats website class a back three as a 3-4-1-2 / 3-4-2-1 formation, with the 4 being flanked by wide midfielders rather than wing backs. Transfermarkt, for example, says he's never played as a left wing back, but Frankfurt played most of last season with a back three, and Kostic definitely played as a wing back.

    It's just a classification thing.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    So the latest round of rumours would have us:

    Areola
    Coufal Zouma Aguerd Thomas
    Rice Soucek
    Bowen Vlasic Kostic
    Scamacca

    Fabianski
    Johnson Dawson Ogbonna Cresswell
    Downes Onana
    Fornals Zielinski Benrahma
    Antonio


    Still think we need either a RW to cover Bowen, or another ST to allow Antonio to be the RW cover.
  • alderzalderz
    Zielinski is more of a central midfielder than an attacking midfielder, for me. On Sofascore if you look at his heat map, he doesn't really get in the box at all, and transfermarkt has him as playing 219 times in centre mid and 76 in attacking midfield. If you look at his Poland heat map from the nations league in particular you see how deep he sits. I think it's unlikely for both him and Onana to come in, tbh.

    https://www.sofascore.com/player/piotr-zielinski/138605
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/piotr-zielinski/leistungsdaten/spieler/181136
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    edited July 2022
    But they're very different players aren't they? From what I understand Onana is more of a rangy, defensive midfielder (in the mould of Rice/Vieira) whereas Zielinski is more of an attack-minded playmaker (Lanzini/Fornals)?

    If so, it doesn't really feel like an either/or situation.
  • alderzalderz
    Yeah they are different, but they are both CMs. I think if Zielinski comes in he becomes a centre midfielder who passes the ball, if Onana comes in he becomes a proper destroyer / DM. I just don't see us signing two central midfielders, despite them having a different skillset.

    I think whichever one it is, it just means that Rice and Soucek may have different role. If Onana comes in, they can push further ahead, if Zielinski does then one of them needs to be defensive.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Posted at 12:2012:20
    Injured Aguerd 'won't be back in short term'

    West Ham United
    West Ham continued their pre-season campaign with a 1-1 draw at Luton on Saturday.

    After the game, assistant manager Billy McKinlay said that Nayef Aguerd would "not be back in the short term".

    The Hammers only signed the Morocco defender towards the end of last month but he injured an ankle during last week's friendly at Rangers, which the Premier League side lost 3-1.
  • alderzalderz
    IronHerb said:

    Posted at 12:2012:20
    Injured Aguerd 'won't be back in short term'

    West Ham United
    West Ham continued their pre-season campaign with a 1-1 draw at Luton on Saturday.

    After the game, assistant manager Billy McKinlay said that Nayef Aguerd would "not be back in the short term".

    The Hammers only signed the Morocco defender towards the end of last month but he injured an ankle during last week's friendly at Rangers, which the Premier League side lost 3-1.

    It's been reported in a few places a couple of days ago that he'll be out for three months.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Back in time for the World Cup break then.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Sean at C&H published an article saying the injury isn’t as bad as first feared & he may be back in with a chance against City, but will be short of match fitness. Ex said that Sean won’t have published that without speaking to a reasonable source.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    alderz said:

    IronHerb said:

    Posted at 12:2012:20
    Injured Aguerd 'won't be back in short term'

    West Ham United
    West Ham continued their pre-season campaign with a 1-1 draw at Luton on Saturday.

    After the game, assistant manager Billy McKinlay said that Nayef Aguerd would "not be back in the short term".

    The Hammers only signed the Morocco defender towards the end of last month but he injured an ankle during last week's friendly at Rangers, which the Premier League side lost 3-1.

    It's been reported in a few places a couple of days ago that he'll be out for three months.
    I've seen two months, three months and back for the City game, so it still seems to be up in the air.

    That said, two months feels about right given the nature of the injury.
  • LukerzLukerz
    I must admit I don’t like the feel of this Scamacca deal. Just a gut feeling. I don’t feel he’s going to be right. One assist last season? We play with a striker who gets more assists than goals, currently. I also don’t think we should be going for too many unproven PL players. At the moment we have 3/4 signings who are unproven in the PL. Adding Kostic & Zielinski is probably not a great idea.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    edited July 2022
    'We play with a striker who gets more assists than goals, currently.'

    I would always prefer a striker who has more goals than assists, so Antonio needs replacing in that role.
  • alderzalderz
    Lukerz said:

    We play with a striker who gets more assists than goals, currently.

    In every season that Antonio has been here he's had more goals than assists, except one where he has 7 of each, so that's just not accurate.

    What are facts is that our main striker missed 10 big chances last season in the league, and had a conversion rate of 12% (Sofascore). That's just not good enough. We need a striker who can hold up the ball, and who can take chances. Scamacca may or may not turn out to be that guy, but I think that, on paper, he is what we are missing.
  • PengemanPengeman
    OldCastleSwift said:

    So the latest round of rumours would have us:

    Areola
    Coufal Zouma Aguerd Thomas
    Rice Soucek
    Bowen Vlasic Kostic
    Scamacca

    Fabianski
    Johnson Dawson Ogbonna Cresswell
    Downes Onana
    Fornals Zielinski Benrahma
    Antonio


    Still think we need either a RW to cover Bowen, or another ST to allow Antonio to be the RW cover.

    No promotions from U-23s?
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Pengeman said:

    OldCastleSwift said:

    So the latest round of rumours would have us:

    Areola
    Coufal Zouma Aguerd Thomas
    Rice Soucek
    Bowen Vlasic Kostic
    Scamacca

    Fabianski
    Johnson Dawson Ogbonna Cresswell
    Downes Onana
    Fornals Zielinski Benrahma
    Antonio


    Still think we need either a RW to cover Bowen, or another ST to allow Antonio to be the RW cover.

    No promotions from U-23s?

    Even with last season's injury and form issues Moyes rarely used the U23s, so I don't believe he thinks any are close.

    From what I've seen, I think Ashby is closest, but he's behind Coufal and Johnson at RB. Alese has been sold, Coventry doesn't look ready, Oko-Flex clearly not fancied, even in pre-season.

    I don't think any will threaten our match day 20, except maybe in the early cup rounds.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    OCS you missed Cornet /Mcneil/ Diaz off your rumour list :-)
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    edited July 2022
    Yes, good point. According to Ex we'll look at Cornet if the Kostic deal doesn't happen. Diaz wouldn't be the worst signing alongside Scamacca and Antonio, plus he can play wide left so it's another option there too.

    If we could get a match day squad of:

    Areola
    Coufal Zouma Aguerd Sosa
    Rice Soucek
    Bowen Vlasic Kostic
    Scamacca

    Fabianski, Johnson, Cresswell, Dawson, Onana, Benrahma, Fornals, Antonio, Diaz

    Then I'd be more than happy. Would still like Broja though.
  • LukerzLukerz
    IronHerb said:

    'We play with a striker who gets more assists than goals, currently.'

    I would always prefer a striker who has more goals than assists, so Antonio needs replacing in that role.

    Depends if you think offering 20 goal moments (via assists & goals) is better than 14 goals?
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